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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:52 pm to
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:52 pm to
Fictional nonsense?

Russia did run out of ammo in some locations... deals with Iran and North Korea got them more to fill the gaps.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:55 pm to
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We know Ukraine is running out of ammo, we didn’t know Russia was.


Russia was running low on ammo. They were able to make deals with Iran and North Korea for more. The major difference the last few months have been their new glide bombs. While not accurate, they can pulverize a grid with planes being able to launch them from miles away. F-16 should be effective with long enough range air to air missiles.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:11 pm to
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The Nazis had Britain's air force on the ropes after repeated attacks on air fields and support buildings. They switched to terror bombings of cities which let the RAF recover and win the Battle of Britain.


Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:11 pm to
It's a bit of an ugly reality, but Ukraine is serving as a guinea pig for NATO countries, as far as Russian tactics and equipment.

I also watched an analysis of the Iranian attack on Israel, and how useful it was for Israel... those drones fly so slow they were inbound for 6 hours, Israel had 6 hours to prepare, but they also knew they were an obvious distraction, so they were waiting for the ballistic missile strike... the drones were meant to preoccupy air defenses so a few missiles could sneak in from above, but Israel and the US were waiting for them.

Counter to that, the Israeli counterstrike caught Iran completely by surprise... even expecting it, they had no time to react.

Message delivered.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:13 pm to
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Hitler never made it to Moscow did he? He hit a wall at Stalingrad... Stalin was not going to let his namesake town fall completely.


Jude Law tyfys

Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:21 pm to
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I also watched an analysis of the Iranian attack on Israel, and how useful it was for Israel... those drones fly so slow they were inbound for 6 hours, Israel had 6 hours to prepare, but they also knew they were an obvious distraction, so they were waiting for the ballistic missile strike... the drones were meant to preoccupy air defenses so a few missiles could sneak in from above, but Israel and the US were waiting for them.


Iran wanted their stuff to get shot down, they're scared of escalating. Even then, upwards of 10 missiles did get through, they just weren't aimed at anything of value.

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Counter to that, the Israeli counterstrike caught Iran completely by surprise... even expecting it, they had no time to react.


What did Israel hit? Initially they claimed they destroyed an S-300 battery but aerial images show that didn't happen.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 2:22 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:31 pm to
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Iran wanted their stuff to get shot down, they're scared of escalating. Even then, upwards of 10 missiles did get through, they just weren't aimed at anything of value.


Not really at all, the low resolution satellite photos show cloud shadows for nutters to claims points of impact. Two actual hits at one base, both by ballistic missiles. As many as 50% didn't make it out of Iran.

Israel hit the radar of the battery, not the launchers deep in Iran. It was the message that it could strike deep within Iran that was sent.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:35 pm to
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Exactly... "slowly adding more territory" while suffering HUGE casualties and losing equipment like a touring demolition derby...

It's like the people who keep saying "this is a war of attrition" only apply that from Russia's side, not seeing that Russia is having that very war waged on them, too.

Ukraine will keep blowing up Russian oil refineries, they'll keep targeting their ships, and they'll keep blowing up Russian equipment.

Russia better hope they can keep production high while their oil money dries up.
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:49 pm to
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Not really at all, the low resolution satellite photos show cloud shadows for nutters to claims points of impact. Two actual hits at one base, both by ballistic missiles.

Even Israel adjusted their interception numbers from 99% to 84% a few days ago. If Iran was trying to inflict real damage, they probably wouldn't have given 48 hour notice to Israel, the US, Jordan, and Iraq.

These are clearly missile strikes, I really don't give a shite about debating it though. I guess I am not a "nutter"

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Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:52 pm to
Just saw a scroll on cnbc {no link} that all the aid bills passed aprocedural vote.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 3:06 pm to
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It means very little without the will to fight.


.5% of the latest Ukrainian recruits are volunteers.

They rest are draftees.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 3:16 pm to
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I guess I am not a "nutter"


Following Ayden and Big Serge on Twatter says you are. With all the misinfo they gave throughout 2022 and at least into 2023, No one thinks that either is credible
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 3:26 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 3:26 pm to
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Counter to that, the Israeli counterstrike caught Iran completely by surprise... even expecting it, they had no time to react.


Saw a report that said Israel's F35s have been entering Iran's air space pretty much at will.

Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 3:28 pm to
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Saw a report that said Israel's F35s have been entering Iran's air space pretty much at will.


They certainly did when they first received them. They even circled Tehran without being detected.
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 3:29 pm to
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What changed is we stopped sending money. Now that the money is there, the narrative will shift again to "we are succeeding!" so that when they ask for money again they can say "We've almost got them this time!!!", we send the money, rinse and repeat until the war ends one way or another


Not if the local bots are correct. Russia is “crushing” the Ukes. They’ve said more aid won’t make a difference.

Now you are disputing their message? The Russians aren’t crushing them? The war isn’t nearly over?
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 3:45 pm to
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The Russians aren’t crushing them?


So I have to agree 100% with other people who share a similar viewpoint as me?

I think its pretty obvious Russia is winning. But its also pretty obvious they aren't crushing anyone.

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The war isn’t nearly over?


It'll never be over if its up to you
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26960 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 3:45 pm to
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Ukraine will keep blowing up Russian oil refineries, they'll keep targeting their ships, and they'll keep blowing up Russian equipment.

Russia better hope they can keep production high while their oil money dries up.


In light of the new weapons packages coming, Ukraine is stepping up its efforts with less concern for constraints for conserving supplies.

Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 3:58 pm to
If you don't think there's a shite ton of aa in Tehran your not too smart. F 35's are not invisible. Totally detectable by radar. They just have to be close. If they flew over Tehran that would be their arse
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26960 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 4:00 pm to
Really gonna need some kind of mine detecting and clearing robots. Maybe a small robot that could detect mines and put charges to be detonated remotely where mines are found.

Mines in Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wVZs9hBiE
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42780 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 4:20 pm to
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So I have to agree 100% with other people who share a similar viewpoint as me?


No, but agreeing with the bots, 90% of the time makes you look bad.

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I think its pretty obvious Russia is winning. But its also pretty obvious they aren't crushing anyone.


We agree, now you look a little better.

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It'll never be over if its up to you


If I were king in Feb. of 2022 the war wouldn’t have started. If I were made king now, the war would be over as soon as possible.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 5:07 pm
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