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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:22 am to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:22 am to Lima Whiskey
So basically the same situation that we faced in Iraq instead we captured Baghdad in under a month and Russia got defeated going for Kyiv and has decided to move to a stalemate just waiting for a peace where they get to keep what they currently hold
Interesting dichotomy there between military capabilities
Interesting dichotomy there between military capabilities
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 11:23 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:24 am to Auburn1968
The weapons were useless without the codes to arm them, and Ukraine was paid for giving them up. You could argue that they weren't paid enough, I don't know how you value them, but the weapons were just paperweights to Kiev, there was no scenario where they could find a way to arm and use them.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 11:40 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:25 am to michael corleone
quote:I love how this is always framed as the US "expanding" east as if we are conquering these independent countries and forcing them in
Despite that we expanded it to the point of preparing to include Ukraine. I don’t agree with Russia invading Ukraine, but the writing was in the wall when we continued expanding east.
As opposed to independent countries and people's with their own free will and agency who freely chose and pushed for entry into NATO
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:27 am to Lima Whiskey
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Russia went into Ukraine with around 150K men, and they were outnumbered by the Ukrainians for the most the war. Total size of the ground forces is around 500k.
Actually they went in with about 20-30 thousand. They ratcheted up from there. They have at least 500 thousand men committed to the Ukraine war now.
Edited to correct my mistake.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 10:30 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:33 am to WestCoastAg
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So basically the same situation that we faced in Iraq instead we captured Baghdad in under a month and Russia got defeated going for Kyiv
Yes
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and has decided to move to a stalemate just waiting for a peace where they get to keep what they currently hold
It's not a stalemate, they'll probably take most of the country when this is done.
The Russians have an overwhelming advantage in firepower, and they have very short supply lines, fighting where they are in eastern Ukraine. The border is very close, and they have good roads and close rail lines. The Ukrainians are aware that losing territory will endanger Western support, and they understand that they probably won't recover anything they lose, and so they've committed to try and holding every inch of Ukrainian territory against the Russians, even if the terrain doesn't favor it. The problem, is that this has resulted in a largely one-sided exchange of casualties which will eventually break them, and that's what you're seeing now.
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Interesting dichotomy there between military capabilities
On the other side, we could not fight a conventional war like this for this long. Our industrial base could not support it.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:50 am to WestCoastAg
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As opposed to independent countries and people's with their own free will and agency who freely chose and pushed for entry into NATO
Sure they have the free will to do so, I wonder why you freedom lovers don't think they should be free to suffer the consequences of their free will.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:54 am to michael corleone
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As party of that same deal, we guaranteed Russia that NATO would not expand east. Despite that we expanded it to the point of preparing to include Ukraine. I don’t agree with Russia invading Ukraine, but the writing was in the wall when we continued expanding east.
Please provide a link to the signed treaty supporting this statement. You can't because it wasn't part of the agreement.
This is what the agreement that was signed by the US, Russia and China provided for from Wikipedia
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According to the three memoranda,[6] Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively removing all Soviet nuclear weapons from their soil, and that they agreed to the following:
1) Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act).[7]
2) Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
3) Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
4) Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
5) Not to use nuclear weapons against any non - nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.[8][9][10]
6) Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.[11][12]
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:57 am to Turbeauxdog
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Sure they have the free will to do so, I wonder why you freedom lovers don't think they should be free to suffer the consequences of their free will.
Taking it out on Ukraine isn't those other countries suffering for their decision to join nato
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:14 pm to Lima Whiskey
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and they have very short supply lines
It's over 4,200 miles from Pyongyang to Dontesk
ETA: It's only 1,100 miles from Tehran though
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:17 pm to StormyMcMan
I regret that I have but one upvote to give for your post.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:33 pm to StormyMcMan
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It's over 4,200 miles from Pyongyang to Dontesk
ETA: It's only 1,100 miles from Tehran though
Almost everything Russia uses is produced in Russia, and it's really simple for them to move it to the Donbas. They have a very well developed road and rail network. It's much harder for the Ukranians, they produce almost nothing domestically now, and so you're looking at a supply line that truly does start in the US, or in Western Europe, and once it gets in the country, it's not necessarily easy to get to the front. I think it was in Bahkmut that someone came up with the term "mosquito logistics" to describe the way the Ukrainians were using civilian vehicles to cover that final mile to the front. You do what you have to, but it's not efficient and it shows you how hard things are for them.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:34 pm to WestCoastAg
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I love how this is always framed as the US "expanding" east as if we are conquering these independent countries and forcing them in
As opposed to independent countries and people's with their own free will and agency who freely chose and pushed for entry into NATO
Russia is an authoritarian kleptocracy. 30% of their population lacks toilets. 40% of their roads are unpaved.
The "deep-thinking" mid-wits seem confused as to why European countries look west instead of looking to Russia.
IDK, maybe being tolerant of the gays is better than shitting outside?
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:40 pm to REG861
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Greenwald is a tremendous apologist for Xi’s despotic regime. He denies every last bar act the Chicoms do. These are the people you’re linking arms with. Congrats.
I have no issue with people having different opinions, by and large. Greenwald has done great reporting demonstrating how messed up the US government is. It's necessary to point out how bad the United States is at times.
That said, extremists on both sides (far-left/far-right) have this attitude that the US can't do anything right, and China/Russia can't do anything wrong.
America has had some awful moments. Our government isn't perfect. Fair.
But I challenge anyone to compare US government right now to the Russian/Chinese governments. Tell me you'd prefer either of those governments to the US.
Study American history and compare to Chinese history or Russian history. Tell me you'd prefer to live under Chinese/Russian rule, historically, compared to the US.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 1:23 pm to RuLSU
Russian Railway Has a Shortage of Locomotives Due to a Lack of Imported Parts
Western sanctions on high tech equipment and new or replacement parts for locomotives have reduced the Russian state-run rail system's ability to move freight.
by Kyiv Post | February 7, 2024, 3:27 pm
Russian state-run railroads suffer from reduced freight capacity due to Western sanctions on parts supplies that reduce locomotive engines available for cargo transport, especially in the last six months.
Since the end of 2023, the state-owned Russian railway (RZHD) has been facing a shortage of locomotives, as the volume of rolling stock repairs and their duration have increased significantly due to a lack of sanctioned imported parts.
The RZHD report is confirmed by sources of the Russian publication Vedomosti.
According to the representative of the state monopoly, the situation “particularly worsened” in the fourth quarter of 2023 and now RZHD is trying to solve this problem with service companies “as quickly as possible.”
The source explained that nominally there are enough locomotives for cargo transportation, but in fact the ability of the Russian railway to transport them is decreasing.
The Sverdlovsk railway suffers the most due to massive downtime of locomotives in repair.
The Kyiv Post
Western sanctions on high tech equipment and new or replacement parts for locomotives have reduced the Russian state-run rail system's ability to move freight.
by Kyiv Post | February 7, 2024, 3:27 pm
Russian state-run railroads suffer from reduced freight capacity due to Western sanctions on parts supplies that reduce locomotive engines available for cargo transport, especially in the last six months.
Since the end of 2023, the state-owned Russian railway (RZHD) has been facing a shortage of locomotives, as the volume of rolling stock repairs and their duration have increased significantly due to a lack of sanctioned imported parts.
The RZHD report is confirmed by sources of the Russian publication Vedomosti.
According to the representative of the state monopoly, the situation “particularly worsened” in the fourth quarter of 2023 and now RZHD is trying to solve this problem with service companies “as quickly as possible.”
The source explained that nominally there are enough locomotives for cargo transportation, but in fact the ability of the Russian railway to transport them is decreasing.
The Sverdlovsk railway suffers the most due to massive downtime of locomotives in repair.
The Kyiv Post
Posted on 2/7/24 at 2:13 pm to cypher
Really starting to look like Russia is just grinding the Ukrainians down.
It is obvious they don't give a shite about dead bodies.
They also don't give a shite if their tanks get destroyed.
They will pull out a WW1 piece of equipment to gain a yard of territory.
Time for Ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table.
Not what anyone wants to hear, but Ukraine is out of options at this point.
It is obvious they don't give a shite about dead bodies.
They also don't give a shite if their tanks get destroyed.
They will pull out a WW1 piece of equipment to gain a yard of territory.
Time for Ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table.
Not what anyone wants to hear, but Ukraine is out of options at this point.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 2:30 pm to Lima Whiskey
Question. Why do you want Russia to overrun a sovereign country? Does it please you? Russia claims it’s fighting Nazis but they sure are doing some Nazi shite just rolling into other countries and claiming them as theirs.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 2:56 pm to LSUPilot07
Bloomberg: Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer plans to push vote on Ukraine, Israel aid separate from border policy
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer plans to push a vote on aid for Ukraine, Israel, and Tawain separate from U.S. border funding, Bloomberg reported on Feb. 7, citing a senior Democratic aide.
The Kyiv Independent
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer plans to push a vote on aid for Ukraine, Israel, and Tawain separate from U.S. border funding, Bloomberg reported on Feb. 7, citing a senior Democratic aide.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 2/7/24 at 3:13 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
I love how this is always framed as the US "expanding" east as if we are conquering these independent countries and forcing them in
As opposed to independent countries and people's with their own free will and agency who freely chose and pushed for entry into NATO
Yeah. Eastern Europe didn't have a choice in being Soviet satellites, but they sure didn't want to face that threat again.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 3:13 pm to LSUPilot07
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Question. Why do you want Russia to overrun a sovereign country? Does it please you? Russia claims it’s fighting Nazis but they sure are doing some Nazi shite just rolling into other countries and claiming them as theirs.
My ultimate top line reason, the neocons are evil, and they are impoverishing and destroying this country. I want them to lose, and I want to see them run out of this country.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 3:32 pm to Lima Whiskey
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My ultimate top line reason, the neocons are evil, and they are impoverishing and destroying this country. I want them to lose, and I want to see them run out of this country.
Is Joe Biden, Barrack Obama, or Hillary Clinton neocon?
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