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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:55 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:55 am to NC_Tigah
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The bullet holes in the Presidential limo didn't make themselves, WeeWee. You can take sides if you'd like, just keep it truthful.
I know Yanukovych says machine guns fired on his limo, was that proven?
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:15 am to doubleb
Oh, some of the PT friends are here.
Is the war over, again?
Is the war over, again?
Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:22 am to Rebel
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At this point, Russia is home. They took what they wanted.
Yeah, that why 1000 Russian tanks got stopped cold on their drive to Kiev.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:40 am to doubleb
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I confess, I did not know much about Ukraine at the outset of the war. I estimated that Russia would overwhelm them with their overwhelming numbers of tanks, artillery, planes and of course men.
I was looking at various military web site projections as to the size of Ukraine's active military potential and reserves. Add to that a lot of Javelins, their own antitank guided rockets and a bunch of Stingers.
The 1000 tank and armored vehicle column that tried to come in on a three pronged attack on Kiev found the soil to be too soft and they all ended up on a single paved road in a month long traffic jam. It became a turkey shoot.
Now Russia is using old artillery without adequate range, accuracy or serious counter battery fire.
Ukraine's Swedish Archer Effective firing range
30 km (19 mi) with standard shells
45 km (28 mi) with base bleed
35 km (22 mi) with BONUS
60 km (37 mi) with M982 Excalibur
Effective firing range
M107: 21 km (13 mi)
M795: 23.5 km (14.6 mi)
ERFB: M795E1 30 km (19 mi) base bleed
Excalibur: 40 km (25 mi)[9]
Greater accuracy means less wear and tear on the tubes.
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 11:43 am
Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:59 am to NC_Tigah
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The bullet holes in the Presidential limo didn't make themselves, WeeWee. You can take sides if you'd like, just keep it truthful.
Funny that I never hear people like you mention things like Russia openly trying to assassinate a Ukrainian presidential candidate(who won, I might add), by poisoning him (in 2004, since you’ll probably need to go read up on it). Is there a reason you never want to talk about that?
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:01 pm to REG861
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Funny that I never hear people like you mention things like Russia openly trying to assassinate a Ukrainian presidential candidate(who won, I might add), by poisoning him (in 2004, since you’ll probably need to go read up on it). Is there a reason you never want to talk about that?
He probably has RT bookmarked
Posted on 12/4/23 at 5:16 pm to REG861
quote:The Yushchenko episode was terrible. Typical Putin. He is an animal.
Funny that I never hear people like you mention things like Russia openly trying to assassinate a Ukrainian presidential candidate
Now you've heard people like me mention things like Russia openly trying to assassinate a Ukrainian presidential candidate.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 5:18 pm to CitizenK
quote:Wow!
He probably has RT bookmarked
Run to your safe-space, cry a little, then grow the frick up!
Posted on 12/4/23 at 5:46 pm to Auburn1968
quote:Putin's expectation was he'd blitz into Kyiv, depose the government, arrest Zelenskyy, install a pro-Ruskie regime, take the eastern oblasts and be done. Ukraine kicked Russia's arse in that regard.
Yeah, that why 1000 Russian tanks got stopped cold on their drive to Kiev.
But that does not change facts as they are now in the east.
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 6:28 pm to NC_Tigah
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The Yushchenko episode was terrible. Typical Putin. He is an animal.
Ok you’re clearly capable of reason. I just don’t see how you can square that away with this war being anyone but Russia’s fault. As the Yushchenko attempted assassination showed us, Putin has been hellbent on subsuming ukraine ever since he took office for the simple reason that he wants to aggregate as much of the Russian empire as possible.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 6:38 pm to Auburn1968
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The 1000 tank and armored vehicle column that tried to come in on a three pronged attack on Kiev found the soil to be too soft and they all ended up on a single paved road in a month long traffic jam. It became a turkey shoot.
It is a large MARSH, starting at the Polish border. Its where partisans hide and attacked during WWII.
What could go wrong with such idiotic planning?
Posted on 12/4/23 at 6:49 pm to REG861
quote:War is the failure of diplomacy.
I just don’t see how you can square that away with this war being anyone but Russia’s fault.
Let's talk diplomacy:
In terms of "fault" what was the purpose of eastward NATO expansion during the Yeltsin regime?
What was the expected result of the Bucharest Summit Declaration in 2008, when Russia preemptively had declared that NATO in Ukraine/Georgia would mean war?
What was the expected result of US involvement in overthrowing a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Ukrainian President because he was pro-Russian?
In short, no NATO, no war. No US interference, no war. Those elements leave "responsibility for war" as shared ... at the least. Do they not?
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 6:53 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:no putin, no war
In short, no NATO, no war. No US interference, no war.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 7:02 pm to NC_Tigah
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What was the expected result of US involvement in overthrowing a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Ukrainian President because he was pro-Russian?
crazy how Ukraine keeps finding people to fight and die to keep Russia out when they were so popular
damn NATO going door to door in Ukraine and dragging them out to put a rifle in their hand
Posted on 12/4/23 at 7:10 pm to Hateradedrink
curse NATO and its villanous leaders who sit in their headquarters on skull island just provoking russia and putin to save the world from the globalists' NWO
Posted on 12/4/23 at 7:16 pm to WestCoastAg
It's possible that Putin is a villainous a-hole and NATO has outlasted usefulness(at last as far as the US' involvement is concerned) at the same time.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 7:16 pm to Scuttle But
id say if you are an eastern european country, NATO seems pretty fricking useful right now
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 7:19 pm to WestCoastAg
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id say if you are an eastern european country, NATO seems pretty fricking usefull right now
Oh I'm sure they do. Then again the eastern Europeans, or Europe as a whole are more than welcome to create their own defense alliance that doesn't require the United States to guarantee the defense of an entire continent. I mean, Europe is pretty wealthy and has a well educated populace and industrial base.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 7:24 pm to Scuttle But
or maybe we dont just throw away our decades long alliances with our allies that we have joitly built things like a massive intelligence network and sharing when this is the most tense europe has been since the fall of the berlin wall
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 7:26 pm to WestCoastAg
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maybe we dont just throw away our decades long alliances with our allies that we have built things like a massive intelligence network and sharing when this is the most tense europe has been since the fall of the berlin wall
So is there ever a point when we can say "Hey guys, we realize you were all fricked up after WWII and we helped out but it's tike for yall to grow up and move out of daddy's basement and pay for your own shite"
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