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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/1/22 at 10:17 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 10:17 pm to
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How old are you?


Mid 30s.

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Scariest moment of my life was when Berlin Wall came down and the USSR collapsed. It was electric to see happening, but in the back of everyone's minds was- will the generals allow this to happen? I legit feared they'd invade the Warsaw Pact to squash it all, and things would spiral rapidly. I was in college at the time...


In my lifetime, but too young to remember it.

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interestingly enough, taking a German History class. I delayed my final paper for a week, since the topic was "What's the biggest event in German History?" My professor bitched, but I successfully argued that we were watching that moment live, and whatever I would have written on was fall less impactful.


Good for you. I’m not sure if you were correct about that, but definitely in the argument and worth the paper.
Posted by Snafu Sam
Member since Feb 2022
108 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 10:17 pm to
Dude I’m rooting for Ukraine as much as anyone here. People having been taking shite because I’ve said that Russia is winning right now. Do I get excited about the small victories that Ukraine achieves? Of course. But this is a one sided fight and the Russians are winning no matter how you slice it.

And we won’t be there to help the insurgency. We’ve abandoned plenty in the past and we’ll do it again this time.



I hope Im wrong
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 10:19 pm to
Not sure what the municipal council in Moscow is, but....

@BNONews
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Municipal council in Moscow's Khamovniki District condemns Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "insane" and "unjustified," adding: "Our economy is going to hell"
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 10:22 pm to
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Dude I’m rooting for Ukraine as much as anyone here. People having been taking shite because I’ve said that Russia is winning right now. Do I get excited about the small victories that Ukraine achieves? Of course. But this is a one sided fight and the Russians are winning no matter how you slice it.

I've already stated my view on that:

I fully expect Russia to "win" and the country to devolve into an insurgency. That doesn't mean I won't relish every ounce of suffering the Ukranians can dish out to the Russians.

That also doesn't mean that I can't hope that this leads to Putin making a terrible decision back home that ultimately leads to his downfall.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 10:24 pm to
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Municipal council in Moscow's Khamovniki District condemns Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "insane" and "unjustified," adding: "Our economy is going to hell"


I will say that the very fact we are even seeing stuff like this being reported publicly is an encouraging sign in regards to the Russian people. But for the whims of one madman....
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 10:27 pm to
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I believe you are, but what do you think people a century ago were thinking over WWI?


Probably nothing in the comparable timeframe because they couldn’t watch the assassination on Twitter like we can.

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I’m still putting it at 10% and am encouraged today that China is calling for peace talks between Russia and Ukraine, but it’s still a strong possibility we may be in it.


Then relax baw.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 10:29 pm to
if it’s ww3 with nukes bro, you will need to be on Mars or something. There will be no safe places
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
21529 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 10:38 pm to
I don’t think there is support for this war anywhere. Putin obviously misjudged the backlash and quite possibly was blinded by the feckless nature of current American leadership. I think he anticipated sanctions but I don’t think he anticipated global repudiation on every imaginable level.
Posted by Enzos Tiny Pito
Member since Oct 2019
2234 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:02 pm to
We're at day 7 and these guys have 0 actual cities not in the Donbass rain region right?

Also laying siege is an absolute panic move from an army that doesn't have time to lay siege to shite.

Are they really ready to get drawn into a 4 month war minnimum?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105471 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:16 pm to
Japan and Germany getting the old band back together.
Posted by Palmetto98
Where the stars are big and bright
Member since Nov 2021
2145 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:18 pm to
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We're at day 7 and these guys have 0 actual cities not in the Donbass rain region right?


I didn’t know CNN had a TD account?
Posted by foosball
Member since Nov 2021
2313 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:26 pm to
It’s going to be really tense when Russia eventually advances on Lviv and the Polish border…
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8664 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:27 pm to
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We're at day 7 and these guys have 0 actual cities not in the Donbass rain region right? Also laying siege is an absolute panic move from an army that doesn't have time to lay siege to shite. Are they really ready to get drawn into a 4 month war minnimum?


Let us dispense with the Iraq / US and Ukraine / Russia analogs right here. At this point in the invasion, the US was 300 miles into Iraq and had already taken control of the second largest city in the country.

We were also 6,000 miles from home territory unlike the incompetent, third world Russians, instead of being right fricking next door to the invading country.
Posted by Tiger in Austin
Austin,TX
Member since Sep 2003
1772 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:28 pm to
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Besides Garfield, Reagan, and Bush I is there even a single US President who credibly did not engage in illegal drugs in their lives?


I would bet on Silent Cal
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105471 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:30 pm to
None of those drugs were illegal unylti around the time of WWi
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105471 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:32 pm to
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It’s going to be really tense when Russia eventually advances on Lviv and the Polish border…


They can't resupply their troops from 20 miles away. I don't know how they're going to get to western Ukraine.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:36 pm to
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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY Russia’s rate of conquest is extraordinary: 1.43 times faster than Israel in 1967, 1.85 times faster than US in Iraq in 2003, and 10 times faster than US in Kuwait in 1991. Russia has plausibly lost up to 15% of its tank force but the alleged death toll of 5,000+ is grossly exaggerated. Russian deaths are in the range of 234 to 1100 dead at most. Ukraine has plausibly lost 36% of its tank force. If Russia wants to conquer all of Ukraine, victory will be complete by the end of March, after around 41 days of fighting.


LINK
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 11:36 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:40 pm to
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Russian deaths are in the range of 234 to 1100 dead at most.

This is very, very low by most all Western accounts. Somewhere around 2,000 Russian dead is what I saw this morning, and that could be on the low end. There's also reports of Belarus hospitals struggling to care for the influx of the injured, and that would likely just be from the Northern fighting.

I don't know what an "Executive Summary" is, but that is a very flowery account for Russia.

ETA: The 5,000 dead number was put out by the Ukrainians. I don't buy that, either.
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 11:42 pm
Posted by Snafu Sam
Member since Feb 2022
108 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:40 pm to
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Let us dispense with the Iraq / US and Ukraine / Russia analogs right here. At this point in the invasion, the US was 300 miles into Iraq and had already taken control of the second largest city in the country.
That’s not a fair comparison. Russian or the USSR has never put a premium on projecting power the way we have. There’s only 2 or 3 countries in the world that can project power past their immediate neighbors.

We were 300 miles into Iraq against an army that had been under a no fly zone for the previous 12 years and wasn’t being supplied with the latest western munitions.

Russias army isn’t as good as ours and the Ukrainian army is light years ahead of what we fought in the invasion of Iraq. Add to that fact that the Russians are not nearly as risk averse when it comes to casualties as we are.

If you take the western philosophy of low casualties out of the equation(which I think is stupid btw) then Russia is wiping the floor with Ukraine. They’re taking all the ports and have the capital virtually surrounded. And I also believe that they have finally achieved air superiority over Ukraine
Posted by Palmetto98
Where the stars are big and bright
Member since Nov 2021
2145 posts
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:41 pm to
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We were also 6,000 miles from home territory unlike the incompetent, third world Russians, instead of being right fricking next door to the invading country.


Your argument l sounds pretty emotional driven
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