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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/9/23 at 3:19 am to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 9/9/23 at 3:19 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 09 September 2023

Elements of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have advanced into the multi-layered main Russian defensive line east of the town of Robotyne. Ukrainian dismounted infantry forces are continuing to make gradual tactical advances against Russian positions and attrite Russian forces in the area.

Ukrainian forces have also maintained pressure on Russian positions to the south of Bakhmut, making gradual gains between Klishchiivka and Adriivka.

It is highly likely that Russia has redeployed forces from other areas of the frontline to replace degraded units around Robotyne. These redeployments are likely limiting Russia's ability to carry out offensive operations of its own along other areas of the front line. The redeployments are also highly likely an indication of pressure on their defensive lines, particularly around Robotyne.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 9/9/23 at 4:28 am to
With enough time you can overcome any fortification. Russia is betting on the West getting Ukraine fatigue before that happens.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 9/9/23 at 5:13 am to
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He deserves to be compensated fairly, but he shouldn't be able to turn it on and off on his whim.


Yes, this is exactly why, after the much-discussed incident, the Pentagon signed a contract with Musk that includes direct control of a number of Starlink terminals.


EDIT: I cannot believe that I have to defend Elon Musk here, who I think is a turd, but he never turned anything off. Starlink was never active for Crimea, and the Ukrainian military asked him to turn it on for the purposes of this strike, which he declined to do, with the terminals that he had donated to Ukraine.

There's been a ridiculous amount of hyperventilating about this incident from people whose hatred of Musk has overcome their analytical skills.
This post was edited on 9/9/23 at 5:28 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 9/9/23 at 6:20 am to
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Bottom line is musk is a cuck.

All appearances to the contrary?

Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12742 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 6:29 am to
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Bottom line is musk is a cuck.

He cucked Johnny Depp.
Johnny Depp could cuck you.
Elon Musk > Hateradedrink
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:06 am to
Isw update

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Russian forces have reportedly made notable changes to their command and control (C2) in Ukraine to protect command infrastructure and improve information sharing, although Russian force deployments are likely still exacerbating issues with horizontal integration. Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET) Deputy Director of Analysis Magarita Konaev and CSET Fellow Owen Daniels stated on September 6 that Russian forces moved headquarters out of range of most Ukrainian strike systems and have placed forward command posts further underground and behind heavily defended positions

Artillery constraints in Ukraine are reportedly prompting the Russian military to accelerate longstanding efforts to implement a fires doctrine prioritizing accuracy over volume. Konaev and Daniels stated that Russian forces have tightened the link between reconnaissance systems and artillery units to improve fire accuracy, as Russian forces face growing constraints on their ability to leverage mass indirect fire.[8] RUSI noted on September 4 that Russian commanders are doubling down on the need to prioritize the development of a reconnaissance fires complex (RFC) due to assessing that existing Russian fires doctrine, which heavily relies on a high volume of fires and pre-established calculations of the density of fires needed to achieve certain effects, without a reliable system of rapid battle damage assessment, is non-viable.

Russian forces are additionally reportedly adapting their deployment of electronic warfare (EW) complexes. Konaev and Daniels stated that Russian forces have dispersed their deployment of EW complexes since spring 2022 from a concentration of roughly 10 EW complexes for every 20 kilometers of the frontline to 1 major EW system every 10 kilometers, with additional supporting EW assets deployed as needed.

Ukrainian forces reportedly continued to advance south of Bakhmut and south of Robotyne in western Zaporizhia Oblast but did not make any confirmed gains on September 8. Ukrainian military officials reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing to advance south of Bakhmut and achieved unspecified successes south of Robotyne (10km south of Orikhiv).

Russian forces conducted another series of Shahed-131/136 drone strikes targeting Odesa Oblast on the night of September 7–8. The Ukrainian General Staff reported on September 8 that Ukrainian forces downed 16 of 20 Shahed drones that Russian forces launched at grain and port infrastructure in Odesa Oblast.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov publicly rejected an offer from the UN Secretariat that met many of Russia’s stated demands to rejoin the Black Sea Grain Initiative on September 6, indicating that the Kremlin is either delaying its return to the grain deal in an attempt to extract maximum concessions from the West or has no intention whatsoever of returning to the grain deal. Lavrov stated on September 6 that the Russian government received a letter from UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres offering several concessions in exchange for the resumption of the grain deal.[27] Lavrov stated and Reuters reported that the concessions in the letter included: reconnection to SWIFT for a Russian Agricultural Bank subsidiary in Luxembourg within 30 days, the creation of an insurance platform for Russian cargo and ships against Ukrainian strikes in the Azov and Black seas; the unblocking of Russian fertilizer assets in the EU, and approval for Russian ships carrying food and fertilizers to dock in European ports.[28] Lavrov publicly dismissed the UN Secretariat’s offer as a “workaround” that does not create a real solution to the problem.[29] Guterres stated on September 7 that the UN is “actively engaged” in attempting to improve Russia’s grain and fertilizer exports in order to convince Moscow to allow the safe export of Ukrainian grain through the Black Sea.

Russian President Vladimir Putin reiterated boilerplate rhetoric justifying the current war in Ukraine while commemorating a Soviet military victory during the Second World War on September 8. Putin claimed that soldiers of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics’ (DNR and LNR) militias inherited their courage and resilience from ancestors who fought to recapture Donbas in the Second World War and reamplified the narrative falsely portraying the current Ukrainian government as “Nazis.”[34] Putin’s September 8 speech is a continuation of the rhetoric from his September 5 speech invoking the memory of significant Soviet military victories to set ideological conditions for a prolonged war effort

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) directly responded to recent indications that the Armenian government may be questioning its decades-long security relationship with Russia. The Russian MFA claimed on September 8 that it observed doubts within Armenian official circles and political elite about Armenian bilateral ties with Russia, trilateral Russian-Armenian-Azerbaijani ties, and ties to the Russian-dominated Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO).

The US Department of Defense (DoD) announced a new security assistance package on September 7, providing Ukraine with $600 million worth of military equipment.[39] The DoD reported that the package includes: equipment to sustain Ukraine’s air defense systems, additional ammunition for HIMARS systems, 105mm artillery rounds, electronic warfare and counter–electronic warfare equipment, demolition munitions for obstacle clearing, mine-clearing equipment, and support and equipment for training, maintenance, and sustainment activities.

Unknown Russian actors may be helping Russian officials to censor Russian milbloggers who have previously criticized the Kremlin’s war effort in Ukraine. Supporters of imprisoned former Russian officer and ultranationalist Igor Girkin amplified an appeal from a Russian milblogger and serviceman Mikhail Polynkov who claimed that unknown individuals hacked into and stole access to his Telegram channel.[40] Polynkov claimed that these hackers began to impersonate him and are writing social media posts that contradict his opinions. Polynkov added that the hackers also published a post attacking another prominent milblogger (who advocates for veteran rights), unlisted many of his popular posts, and are trying to find information to blackmail him and his affiliates. Polynkov claimed that these hackers are not ordinary thieves who are attempting to scam his audience for money but instead are individuals who disagreed with his criticism of the Kremlin.


Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:06 am to
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Key Takeaways:

Russian forces have reportedly made notable changes to their command and control (C2) in Ukraine to protect command infrastructure and improve information sharing, although Russian force deployments are likely still exacerbating issues with horizontal integration.

Artillery constraints in Ukraine are reportedly prompting the Russian military to accelerate longstanding efforts to implement a fires doctrine prioritizing accuracy over volume.

Russian forces are additionally reportedly adapting their deployment of electronic warfare (EW) complexes.

Ukrainian forces reportedly continued to advance south of Bakhmut and south of Robotyne in western Zaporizhia Oblast but did not make any confirmed gains on September 8.

Russian forces conducted another series of Shahed-131/136 drone strikes targeting Odesa Oblast on the night of September 7–8.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov publicly rejected an incredibly favorable offer from the UN Secretariat that met many of Russia’s stated demands to rejoin the Black Sea Grain Initiative on September 6, indicating that the Kremlin is either delaying its return to the grain deal in an attempt to extract maximum concessions from the West or has no intention whatsoever of returning to the grain deal.

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) directly responded to recent indications that the Armenian government may be questioning its decades-long security relationship with Russia.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove line, near Bakhmut, and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line but did not make any confirmed advances on September 8.

The New York Times (NYT) — citing Western, African, and Russian sources — reported that Russian intelligence structures are competing for control of the Wagner Group’s assets and operations in Africa.

Russian occupation officials continue to hold illegal regional elections in occupied Ukraine. Russian occupation officials in Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson oblasts announced the start of in-person voting in occupied territories on September 8.
Posted by 03GeeTee
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Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:18 am to
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Artillery constraints in Ukraine are reportedly prompting the Russian military to accelerate longstanding efforts to implement a fires doctrine prioritizing accuracy over volume.



Bet they are wishing they didn't waste so much ordinance leveling civilian areas earlier in the war.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:29 am to
In last summer push on Severdonetsk and Bahkmut Russia was firing 60,000 to 80,000 shells a day.

In Ukraine's current counter punch they're making similar progress (and more strategically significant progress) firing about 10% of that number
Posted by RyanMartin835
Thibodaux
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:31 am to
Just wanted to wish a happy Saturday to all you Azov batallion military experts. As long as it takes we must fund this money laundering operation!

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15668 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:38 am to
And yet tougher than your baw, Putin. Who hid like a little biotch for 13 hrs
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13312 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:40 am to
Wrong forum to share your gay porn fetish material. But no judgement here. Happy Saturday to you too!
Posted by RyanMartin835
Thibodaux
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:43 am to
The gay porn dancer is the commander and chief of you Ukraine Bros' military. Why is the immediate response to questioning this war to declare the person a stooge of Putin?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:47 am to
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Why is the immediate response to questioning this war to declare the person a stooge of Putin


This isn't questioning anything it's a pretty crappy attempt at trolling at best

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As long as it takes we must fund this money laundering operation!

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 8:58 am to
It's truly bizarre how some Politard trolls try to use a comedy performance to define Zelensky. It's called acting. You can look it up and learn what an actor does.

It would be like trying to define Ronald Reagan by the movie in WWII where he wore a dress.




It's abysmally stupid. It's like a little retarded child's brain on drugs.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38442 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 9:16 am to
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Everyone knew what the implication was when he “gave” star link to Ukraine

Posted by HonorThyWarEagle
9 TIME NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Freezin'
Member since Sep 2022
3007 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 10:33 am to
Anything new with the G20 summit today?

I've just been following through with the New York Times - but it seems like they're softening up their stance on the war.

They also added the African Union as a permanent member which is nice

Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11847 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 11:48 am to
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EDIT: I cannot believe that I have to defend Elon Musk here, who I think is a turd, but he never turned anything off. Starlink was never active for Crimea, and the Ukrainian military asked him to turn it on for the purposes of this strike, which he declined to do, with the terminals that he had donated to Ukraine.


I saw him claim this, but Isaacson's biography of Musk that comes out on Tuesday alleges he secretly told his staff to turn off the system and that the Ukrainians had drones in the water that "lost connectivity and washed ashore harmlessly." I don't know who Isaacson's sources are so I won't take a side on the dispute, but even if you take Elon's story as true, it looks like the Russians worked a narcissistic galaxy-brain into buying a bluff.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/9/23 at 12:14 pm to
Oh, I disagree with Elon and his reasoning. I just don't think that he did anything morally wrong by deciding on limits for the system that he had donated to Ukraine -- which is exactly the same situation as the US and all the European nations deciding to give Ukraine weapons but restricting Ukraine from using them to strike inside Russia.

I also don't blame Musk for acting in what he believes is own self-interest, since the same SpaceX company that makes the Starlink terminals also sends rockets to the International Space Station, which Russia is still a partner in -- Musk has to work with Russian officials at some level.

All of the fault for this really lies with the Pentagon, because they should have put SpaceX under contract much earlier, and then none of this would have happened.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11847 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 12:22 pm to
I agree. They need to leave as little room as possible for him to exercises his judgement because he seems to be getting worked by the clown troll crew.

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