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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:37 pm to
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:37 pm to
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Recognizing that that we don’t need to spend our national treasure in a dispute on the other side of the world is not the same as “cheering for Russia”. Y’all are some warmongering ghouls
i got bingo!
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150427 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:37 pm to
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You’d be the ones making excuses for Hitler invading other countries to give Germans Lebensraum.


Not even remotely comparable situations, frick off with this garbage.
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7410 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:50 pm to
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Please stop with this rah rah propaganda bullshite. Recognizing that that we don’t need to spend our national treasure in a dispute on the other side of the world is not the same as “cheering for Russia”. Y’all are some warmongering ghouls and you spout this pep talk crap trying to spend more tax dollars is pathetic


And this above is the textbook example of why the anti-war crowd cannot be taken seriously.

We're not 'wasting the national treasury' fighting this war; our entire efforts, military and non-military to date, are about up to 9 and a half weeks of *yearly* Pentagon spending; this has overwhelmingly occured not in buying new things we hadn't budgeted for, but in transitioning things that were to be written off, into exports.

The alllocations for the replacements for the munitions and equipment were among the biggest legislative victories of the Trump administration in its ongoing fight with Congress that saw him veto unacceptable National Defense acts. They're very directly pissing on a windfall from a Trump budgetary victory.

Opposition to the war is more of the 'orange man bad, old man good/ old man good, orange man bad' factional politics. It has no actual basis in actual policy quality; our national budget has rarely if ever been as wisely spent, even if the administration doing so had to stumble on to competence.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105468 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:57 pm to
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Opposition to the war is more of the 'orange man bad, old man good/ old man good, orange man bad' factional politics. It has no actual basis in actual policy quality; our national budget has rarely if ever been as wisely spent, even if the administration doing so had to stumble on to competence.


Clearly illustrated by a thread on the poliboard a few days ago complaining about a military aid package to Taiwan. It "provokes" China. Trump himself identifies China as our main adversary but because it's the Biden administration there must be an ulterior motive. To be clear Democrats would be doing the same kind of carping under a Republican presudent.
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7410 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:59 pm to
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To be clear Democrats would be doing the same kind of carping under a Republican presudent.


Absolutely-- and that kind of stupid shite is what's exhausting to people who really don't give two shits who does the job, as long as its done right.

These aren't sports teams, these are people we have running the country. I'm not going to cheer for or against either based on their faction labels, I just want them to do it the right way. This is undoubtedly the right way, even if I happen to detest what most of the people running it believe at the moment. I'd rather they get it right, than get a dopamine hit for calling them evil.
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 2:00 pm
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38721 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 2:02 pm to
try harder, pinko
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38389 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 2:36 pm to
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You give all of us Jeep owners a bad name.
Carhartt wearing lesbians already did that.
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:16 pm to
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Situation southwest of Donetsk:
During the last few hours #RussianArmy launched counterattack & managed to recapture some of the high (& low) positions adjacent to Staromaiorske forcing #UkrainianArmy to withdraw to the northern part of the town.

LINK
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16095 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:22 pm to
Ukraine's two brigades there say this isn't factual. Rybar was accurate until Putin instructed them to be more "patriotic"
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
5119 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:24 pm to
Yep that is a long form horse shite answer, money spent is money spent.
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:30 pm to
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Ukraine's two brigades there say this isn't factual.


Are you incapable of providing links? I'd like to read it...and you make stuff up pretty regularly.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21020 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:50 pm to
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Rybar was accurate until Putin instructed them to be more "patriotic"


But the main quote that Colt referenced is from Suriyak, and Suriyak is pro-Russian but generally honest about the battlefield.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 4:07 pm to
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America, UK, and Russia agreed to guarantee Ukraine's sovereignty if they gave up their nuclear weapons. They gave up their nuclear weapons.


That’s actually a great undercurrent here that no one is mentioning.

You can trust America to support you if you give up your nuclear weapons at our request.

You cannot trust Russia.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21020 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 4:12 pm to
Rybar:

quote:

Vladimir Putin's statements at the press conference following the Russia-Africa 2023 summit, Part 1

Key points:
quote:

Putin: Africa remembers the specific assistance of the USSR in its liberation, its "voice and Kalashnikov". At the same time, the countries of the region do not ask Russia for handouts - they are looking for interesting projects.


See, this is the thing: Putin and the rest of Russia always claim the USSR. Russia currently has all of the old military allies that the USSR had: Cuba, North Korea, etc. Russians create new statues of Stalin, and they constantly conflate the current conflict with "The Great Patriotic War," in which they defeated Nazism.

So, Russia constantly says that they are the Soviets -- just under a new name. And yet, somehow, some of you want to pretend that Russia is somehow a very different country from the USSR. I don't understand that.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 4:15 pm to
Yes you do; you do understand it.

They’re either

1. Tankies

2. Russian influencers

3. Retarded

Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26821 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 4:18 pm to
Clearly some of those in power long for the days when Russia was the master of the USSR and its empire. However, most of those former satellite countries are the most anti-Russian and don't want that bear sniffing around them.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5722 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 4:27 pm to
Ukrainian forces report new strike on Chonhar bridge to Crimea
29.07.2023 22:53

Ukraine's defense forces on Saturday launched a successful strike on the Chonhar bridge linking southern Ukraine to the Crimean peninsula.

The strategic communications department of the Office of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported this on Facebook, according to Ukrinform.

"The Ukrainian defense forces successfully struck the Chonhar bridge early on July 29, 2023," the report reads.

The Russian-installed governor in occupied Kherson, Vladimir Saldo, said that on Saturday, July 29, that the railway between temporarily occupied Crimea and the captured part of the Kherson region had been attacked by Storm Shadow long-range missiles. According to him, Russian air defenses allegedly intercepted all 12 missiles.

Crimean Telegram channels, citing eyewitnesses, said the Chonhar bridge had been closed to traffic.

UKRINFORM
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42747 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 4:31 pm to
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You can trust America to support you if you give up your nuclear weapons at our request. You cannot trust Russia.

Yet people are insisting that Ukraine agree to a peace deal with Russia as if Ukraine can actually believe Russia would honor any agreement.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21020 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 4:33 pm to
Defense News:

quote:

Japan will spend more than double on defense over the next five years compared to the previous five amid a host of security challenges in the Indo-Pacific region, according to the country’s latest defense whitepaper.

The English version, released July 28, projects Japan will spend $309.75 billion on defense between fiscal 2024 and fiscal 2028, compared with $122.48 billion between fiscal 2019 and fiscal 2023.


The war in Ukraine is causing all of our Asian allies to massively increase spending, yet some people on this board pretend that US support for Ukraine is endangering our ability to support Taiwan.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42747 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 4:33 pm to
quote:

Clearly some of those in power long for the days when Russia was the master of the USSR and its empire. However, most of those former satellite countries are the most anti-Russian and don't want that bear sniffing around them.

Why is it that people are saying NATO has outlived its usefulness, but more and more Russian neighbors want in???
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