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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:22 am to trinidadtiger
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:22 am to trinidadtiger
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International press is reporting many "advisors" from NATO countries have been killed.
Was this in the same missile strike that also killed a US General? Still waiting on the “international press” to cover that one.
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:28 am to Royal
He will never respond to back up his statements.
If he remains true to type, he'll now run back to the poli board to cry about how tough we were on him.
Example 1034: https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/ukraine-thread-on-o-t-filtering-posts-in-real-time/109010596/
If he remains true to type, he'll now run back to the poli board to cry about how tough we were on him.
Example 1034: https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/ukraine-thread-on-o-t-filtering-posts-in-real-time/109010596/
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 9:30 am
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:31 am to trinidadtiger
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Where the did the 100 plus billion go if it was obsolete weapons. And if you say duh the stuff had to be replaced then I say duh replacement cost was in the 754 billion dollar budget
I think you answered your own question, but the more direct answer would be American companies that are making the replacements
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:34 am to No Colors
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This is the biggest US power play since Ronald Regan went toe to toe with the USSR and forced them to dissolve. I think it makes us look strong as frick.
To be fair, it hasn’t worked yet. All of the western technology and equipment can’t breakthrough the Russian frontlines. The Ukrainian counteroffensive is underwhelming at best, a complete failure at worse.
It could turn out that Ukraine pushes Russia back to its borders and retakes Crimea. But it could also could end up ceding the ground it’s already lost and the west will have donated all of its money and equipment for nothing. It won’t be a good look if hundreds or thousands or American and European tanks are left burning on a European battlefield by inferior Russian soldiers and equipment.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:35 am to trinidadtiger
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International press is reporting many "advisors" from NATO countries have been killed.
Google it chief.
Do you think the weapons come with a you tube video or perhaps maybe someone needs to help them operate them, or may you are that naïve.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:36 am to trinidadtiger
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Im so sick and tired of this ignorant statement. Where the did the 100 plus billion go if it was obsolete weapons. And if you say duh the stuff had to be replaced then I say duh replacement cost was in the 754 billion dollar budget......so where did the money go???????
Pay attention grasshopper.
If Congress authorizes Biden to spend 100 Billion dollars on Ukraine it doesn’t mean 100 Billion dollars in cash flew out the door.
The 100 Billion is “spent” over time. It could be in the form of new weapon purchases, transfer of old weapons and ammo from our stock or in loans or grants.
GOP has provided links here over time indicating where the money has gone. Most is not cash.
What is confusing to some is when the bean counters assess value to a transfer of stockpiled ammo or weapons. It’s not a matter of simply asking how much is the replacement cost because the stockpiled items are old and won’t be replaced because the weapon or ammo has been replaced by newer weapons.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:36 am to momentoftruth87
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not turkeys problem buddy.
Actually this is very much Turkeys' (and many other countries) problem. The pressure Russia is going to face from ending the Black Sea Grain Initiative (BSGI) is going to be significant.
The targeting of Odessa now is likely intended as a show of strength back home after the Kerch bridge attack and to pre-empt international pressure from more friendly countries before it builds so they have an out via "oops the ports are destroyed Ukraine was making/storing drones in them" - Yes this was an actual rationale on why Russia targeted the ports floating around today via Russian sources.
https://twitter.com/exit266/status/1681501506158333953
During the BSGI - 50.08% of the exports shipped under the agreement went to countries that have some affiliation or interest in BRICS.
Founding members of BRICS accounted for 8,394,280/32,861,707 tonnes (25.54%) of the exports. China (7,785,204) and India (609,076)
Current BRICS applicants accounted for 3,860,910/32,861,707 tonnes (11.75%) of the exports. Algeria (181,770), Bangladesh (1,067,493), Egypt (1,685,597), Ethiopia (212,650), Indonesia (391,207), Iran (192,879), Saudi Arabia (246,384), and United Arab Emirates (64,700)
Countries that have expressed interest in joining BRICS accounted for: 4,201,526/32,861,707 (12.79%) tonnes of the exports. Afghanistan (130,869), Pakistan (61,815), Sudan (95,340), Syria (26,527), Thailand (68,250), Tunisia (688,518), and Turkey (3,130,207).
On the flip side NATO members account for 14,337,917/32,861,707 (43.63%) tonnes shipped including Turkey or 11,207,710/32,681,707 (34.10%) tonnes if you take Turkey out.
Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 9:40 am
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:39 am to StormyMcMan
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Where the did the 100 plus billion go if it was obsolete weapons. And if you say duh the stuff had to be replaced then I say duh replacement cost was in the 754 billion dollar budget so where did the 100 billion dollars go
I think you answered your own question, but the more direct answer would be American companies that are making the replacements
Put back in the part you edited out. So where did it go, it was spend over and above the original budget, where did it go.
Where the did the 100 plus billion go if it was obsolete weapons. And if you say duh the stuff had to be replaced then I say duh replacement cost was in the 754 billion dollar budget so where did the 100 billion dollars go
I think you answered your own question, but the more direct answer would be American companies that are making the replacements
Put back in the part you edited out. So where did it go, it was spend over and above the original budget, where did it go.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:41 am to trinidadtiger
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Google it chief.
You claimed you source it. Sounds like you just made some random shite up. FTR I did Google it and nothing comes up except a bogus claim from March.
Also "international press" is not a source
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Do you think the weapons come with a you tube video or perhaps maybe someone needs to help them operate them, or may you are that naïve.
It's like you haven't seen all the press around Ukrainians going to other countries for training
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:43 am to doubleb
Pay attention grasshopper.
If Congress authorizes Biden to spend 100 Billion dollars on Ukraine it doesn’t mean 100 Billion dollars in cash flew out the door.
The 100 Billion is “spent” over time. It could be in the form of new weapon purchases, transfer of old weapons and ammo from our stock or in loans or grants.
Congress approved 100 billion in NEW MONEY, not reallocating money already budgeted. Its nonsense to say "We really arent spending anything because the weapons are obsolete", if true then were did the 100 billion in incremental thats incremental go. You cant tell me its obsolete weapons and at the same time take a 100billion from taxpayers.
If Congress authorizes Biden to spend 100 Billion dollars on Ukraine it doesn’t mean 100 Billion dollars in cash flew out the door.
The 100 Billion is “spent” over time. It could be in the form of new weapon purchases, transfer of old weapons and ammo from our stock or in loans or grants.
quote:
GOP has provided links here over time indicating where the money has gone. Most is not cash.
What is confusing to some is when the bean counters assess value to a transfer of stockpiled ammo or weapons. It’s not a matter of simply asking how much is the replacement cost because the stockpiled items are old and won’t be replaced because the weapon or ammo has been replaced by newer weapons.
Congress approved 100 billion in NEW MONEY, not reallocating money already budgeted. Its nonsense to say "We really arent spending anything because the weapons are obsolete", if true then were did the 100 billion in incremental thats incremental go. You cant tell me its obsolete weapons and at the same time take a 100billion from taxpayers.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:45 am to StormyMcMan
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Looks like Ukraine hit back a little
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:46 am to OutsideObserver
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Actually this is very much Turkeys' (and many other countries) problem. The pressure Russia is going to face from ending the Black Sea Grain Initiative (BSGI) is going to be significant.
Im glad you agree with him, it is not the problem of the US, full stop, end of story. If Europe thought Russia was such a threat they would have been ponying up their 2% of GDP to NATO for the last two decades and many have not. You cant buy insurance when your house is on fire, deal with it yourself.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:46 am to trinidadtiger
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You cant tell me its obsolete weapons and at the same time take a 100billion from taxpayers.
Tell me you’ve never signed the front of a paycheck without telling me you’ve never signed the front of a pay check.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:46 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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To be fair, it hasn’t worked yet.
I disagree.
Russia was surprised at strong reaction from the US and the West. Unlike 2014, they are having to pay an extremely heavy price to conquer a country that was a state of theirs less than 40 years ago, and they haven’t conquered it yet.
Russia woke up NATO and helped NATO expand it’s members. They have spent Billions fighting and thousands of their young men have died.
If the war ended today, Russia is not a winner. Neither is Ukraine, but I believe now Russia has been exposed as a paper tiger and they will think long and hard before their next special operation.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:47 am to trinidadtiger
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You cant tell me its obsolete weapons and at the same time take a 100billion from taxpayers.
It’s not. The majority of weapons and equipment are new in box.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:48 am to trinidadtiger
These Chaim “Bill” Kristol fanbois don’t care. They each wake up multiple times per night and early morning to eagerly check their Ukraine propaganda sites, then rush here to LARP.
Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of Christian lads who share nearly identical beliefs and DNA lay maimed or dead.
The posters here are reprehensible.
Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of Christian lads who share nearly identical beliefs and DNA lay maimed or dead.
The posters here are reprehensible.
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 9:50 am
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:50 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The Ukrainian counteroffensive is underwhelming at best, a complete failure at worse.
Fair, but you could say the same thing about Russia’s entire invasion - in large part due to our weapons.
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 9:56 am
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:51 am to SirWinston
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The posters here are reprehensible.
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You are replying to the following post:
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Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict by SirWinston
So you're reprehensible?
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 9:53 am
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:56 am to doubleb
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What is confusing to some is when the bean counters assess value to a transfer of stockpiled ammo or weapons. It’s not a matter of simply asking how much is the replacement cost because the stockpiled items are old and won’t be replaced because the weapon or ammo has been replaced by newer weapons.
Oh.
So that’s how, when some political heat rises over what we’re providing Ukraine, the DOD bean counters just announce their figures were wrong and overestimated, so we can actually throw on an extra $6 billion.
Aren’t you tired of our resources being wasted yet?
Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:57 am to Hateradedrink
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Tell me you’ve never signed the front of a paycheck without telling me you’ve never signed the front of a pay check.
Tell me you have never posted an ignorant post......
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