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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:02 am to trinidadtiger
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:02 am to trinidadtiger
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Im glad you agree with him
I wasn't, and I suggest you take some English comprehension classes so you don't make a similar mistake again, and start making sky screaming points in a completely irrelevant direction.
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:05 am to trinidadtiger
From a January of 23 article.
As you can see things don’t happen immediately. In fact sone if the authorized aid won’t go out until 2026.
LINK
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Since Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine less than one year ago, Congress has approved more than $113 billion of aid and military assistance to support the Ukrainian government and allied nations. The Fiscal Year (FY) 2023 omnibus appropriations package included an additional $47.3 billion of emergency funding to provide humanitarian, military, and economic assistance to Ukraine on top of the $65.8 billion of funding already approved in three other emergency funding packages enacted by Congress.
Of the $113 billion approved in 2022, about three-fifths ($67 billion) has been allocated toward defense needs and the remaining two-fifths ($46 billion) to nondefense concerns such as general Ukrainian government aid, economic support, and aid for refugee resettlement. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) provided cost estimates of the four funding packages at the time each was passed. In total, CBO estimated that $6.6 billion of the $113 billion would be spent in FY 2022 and another $37.7 billion in FY 2023. Furthermore, CBO estimated more than half of the approved funds would be spent by the end of FY 2024 and more than three-fourths by the end of FY 2026.
To date, the Biden Administration has sent Ukraine roughly $26 billion of direct military aid, mainly in the form of military hardware, training, and supplies.
As you can see things don’t happen immediately. In fact sone if the authorized aid won’t go out until 2026.
LINK
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:06 am to trinidadtiger
Foreigners killed in Ukraine. Now they are all listed as "volunteers". Because you know the DOD and CIA are going to announce they have personnel in Ukraine. Do you honestly believe we train a person in Europe and then just send them and the equipment off and everything runs on its own? You cant honestly believe this, can you? Its not a vegamatic we are sending them you know.
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Excluding the Russian and Ukrainian military casualties, at least 282 combatants and volunteers, foreign citizens or foreign-born, were killed during the war. By January 2023, another 1,000 had been wounded while fighting on the Ukrainian side. Below is a list of the nationalities of the foreign fighter casualties.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:10 am to riverdiver
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So that’s how, when some political heat rises over what we’re providing Ukraine, the DOD bean counters just announce their figures were wrong and overestimated, so we can actually throw on an extra $6 billion.
I don’t doubt the values are adjusted as they are highly debatable, and I don’t doubt that the value of obsolete equipment can be pencil whipped to a certain degree.
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Aren’t you tired of our resources being wasted yet?
Not yet.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:11 am to doubleb
doubleb,
My point was not when it was being spent, it was that it was being spent, while some knuckleheads continue to cling to the idea its a couple of old mortars from WW2 laying around and isnt costing us anything.
My point was not when it was being spent, it was that it was being spent, while some knuckleheads continue to cling to the idea its a couple of old mortars from WW2 laying around and isnt costing us anything.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:22 am to trinidadtiger
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My point was not when it was being spent, it was that it was being spent, while some knuckleheads continue to cling to the idea its a couple of old mortars from WW2 laying around and isnt costing us anything.
No one is saying it’s not costing us anything because it is. I’m telling you it’s not all cash, and that twenty obsolete Bradleys that we won’t use is not the same as providing Ukraine with twenty of the latest and greatest Bradleys. Yes the old Bradleys are worth something, but much like an automobile their value lessens in time even if they are still technically new.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:25 am to trinidadtiger
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Tell me you have never posted an ignorant post.
You’ve posted enough ignorance to cover everyone on this board
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:25 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The Russian "special military operation" is underwhelming at best, a complete failure at worse.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:26 am to doubleb
Your patience is admirable. 
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:28 am to doubleb
A lot of the ordinance is also set to expire and would actually cost money to dispose of.
We are essentially giving Ukraine shite we want to get rid of and they’re “disposing” of it on top of drunk mobiks.
It cost $$$ to replace and ship. It would have cost $$$ to replace and dispose.
We are essentially giving Ukraine shite we want to get rid of and they’re “disposing” of it on top of drunk mobiks.
It cost $$$ to replace and ship. It would have cost $$$ to replace and dispose.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:28 am to OutsideObserver
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Your patience is admirable.
The Mrs. would not agree, lol
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:29 am to doubleb
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Aren’t you tired of our resources being wasted yet? Not yet.
This is a really good question though. At what point does the West consider it to be a lost cause and a waste of resources? We’ve sent billions worth of weapons, equipment, training and intelligence to Ukraine to beat an army that is supposedly a paper tiger that has resorted to pulling museum pieces out of storage and recruiting criminals out of prison. Yet the counteroffensive isn’t going well and it doesn’t look like Ukraine is going to make a breakthrough.
So does Russia really suck that bad? Is our equipment really not that good? Or is it that the Ukrainian soldiers are just as shitty as the Russians?
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:31 am to Hateradedrink
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A lot of the ordinance is also set to expire and would actually cost money to dispose of. We are essentially giving Ukraine shite we want to get rid of and they’re “disposing” of it on top of drunk mobiks. It cost $$$ to replace and ship. It would have cost $$$ to replace and dispose.
The US military uses ordinance that is about to expire to train with. Everything you posted is incorrect.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:36 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:37 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Is our equipment really not that good?
You’ve been beating this drum a lot over the past week.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:37 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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This is a really good question though. At what point does the West consider it to be a lost cause and a waste of resources?
That is a good question, but right now we are mostly spending from the initial authorization.
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We’ve sent billions worth of weapons, equipment, training and intelligence to Ukraine to beat an army that is supposedly a paper tiger that has resorted to pulling museum pieces out of storage and recruiting criminals out of prison
Correct; thus demonstrating huge weaknesses.
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Yet the counteroffensive isn’t going well and it doesn’t look like Ukraine is going to make a breakthrough.
Correct, it appears folks were too optimistic.
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So does Russia really suck that bad? Is our equipment really not that good? Or is it that the Ukrainian soldiers are just as shitty as the Russians?
Day one, Russia was favored to steamroll Ukraine and wrap things up in 90 days or less.
It’s over a 400 days later and Russia had had to pull back and play defense. Are you not surprised? Do you think Russia has proven to be a super power because I do not believe they have.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:40 am to Hateradedrink
The vast majority of it is.
To suggest that all we’re sending Ukraine is old worn out equipment and bullets that are about to expire is an outright lie. It’s not even close to the case. I don’t even understand why people keep trying to use it to justify aiding Ukraine. Why not just say “Yes we’re giving Ukraine some grade A shite to kill Russians.” Isn’t that what we’re trying to do anyway?
To suggest that all we’re sending Ukraine is old worn out equipment and bullets that are about to expire is an outright lie. It’s not even close to the case. I don’t even understand why people keep trying to use it to justify aiding Ukraine. Why not just say “Yes we’re giving Ukraine some grade A shite to kill Russians.” Isn’t that what we’re trying to do anyway?
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:43 am to doubleb
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It’s over a 400 days later and Russia had had to pull back and play defense. Are you not surprised? Do you think Russia has proven to be a super power because I do not believe they have.
I am surprised. I was on of the guys that thought Russia would conquer the majority of Ukraine in a matter of weeks. I don’t think Russia is a superpower. I didn’t think Russia was a super power when the war started either.
But it doesn’t answer the question. Why is the Ukrainian counteroffensive not yielding the results expected
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:43 am to notiger1997
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You’ve been beating this drum a lot over the past week.
It’s concerning no?
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:52 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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It’s concerning no?
Not really.
Our doctrine and battle plans are miles apart from what ukraine is capable of executing, regardless of equipment.
By many accounts, wagner has been the most effective fighting force for Russia, claiming the lives of tens of thousands of ukrainians and a massive amount of equipment.
The US military faced off against that same wagner in syria and we wiped the floor with them. It was no contest. 0 US casualties.
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