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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/19/23 at 6:32 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 6:32 pm to
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This is a really good observation. When it simply stops happening it's easy to forget that it ever happened. And it happened almost daily for quite a while.


The lack of FIRMS locations over the last 24 hrs is telling. Last year there were locations all over the fronts. What I did notice is about half dozen at what I think is Snake Island unless it's a Russian vessel of some sort.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 7:08 pm to
Russia doesn't take care of its helos

LINK
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 7:35 pm to
Isw update

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Key Takeaways

Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations in at least three sectors of the frontline and made gains on June 19.

Russian forces conducted drone and missile strikes targeting southern Ukraine on June 19.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken reported that the Chinese government reiterated that it is not providing, and will not provide, lethal assistance to Russia for use in Ukraine.

US defense manufacturer Lockheed Martin indicated that it is ready to help Ukraine fly and maintain Lockheed’s F-16 fighter jets if NATO states agree to send them to Ukraine.

Kremlin-affiliated Russian tech giant Yandex claimed that international sanctions against Russia prevented the company from providing the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) with user data in compliance with a Russian security law, resulting in a significant fine.

Russian forces made gains in the Kupyansk area and continued ground attacks along the Svatove-Kreminna line.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations while Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks near Bakhmut.

Russian and Ukrainian forces conducted limited attacks on the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line and made marginal gains.

Ukrainian forces conducted limited ground attacks along the administrative border between western Donetsk and eastern Zaporizhia oblasts.

Ukrainian forces conducted limited ground attacks in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

The Wagner Group continues efforts to expand its recruitment pool in the wake of significant losses in Ukraine.

Russian sources claimed that a car carrying a Zaporizhia Oblast occupation official exploded in Simferopol, occupied Crimea.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:43 pm to
David Petraeus Announces Recent Events Are A Nightmare For Russia And Putin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGqsFEOrW8g
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 5:20 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 20 June 2023

On 19 June 2023, Wagner Group owner Yevgeny Prigozhin said that he was expecting a reply from the Russian MoD regarding a 'contract' of his own drafting which he had delivered to the ministry three days before.

This follows the MoD's own ultimatum to Wagner and other 'volunteer formations' to sign contracts with the MoD by 01 July 2023. Although the content of Prigozhin's document has not been made public, the act of him delivering it raises the stakes, and is highly likely another deliberate effort to undermine the authority of the official military authorities.

Prigozhin's tone towards the MoD has become unambiguously confrontational. The MoD almost certainly sees this as deeply unfortunate at a time when it is grappling with Ukraine's counter-offensive.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 5:26 am to
Critical Infrastructure Hit in Lviv After ‘Massive’ Overnight Russian Drone Attack

Russia launched a country-wide drone attack against Ukraine overnight, hitting critical infrastructure in the western city of Lviv.

Authorities said 35 kamikaze drones were used in the attack, 32 of which were shot down, mostly in the airspace around Kyiv.

There are no reports of casualties at this time.

The military administration of Lviv said Russia hit “critical infrastructure” in the city, sparking fire.

Russia also used S-300 missiles to attack the Zaporizhzhia region in southeast Ukraine where authorities said they targeted telecommunication infrastructure and agriculture and farming properties.

Kyiv Post

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 5:32 am to
Ukraine lacks air defense systems to protect entire territory from Russian strikes – Air Force spox
20.06.2023 11:31

Enemy Shahed drones managed to reach Lviv city because Ukraine lacks air defense systems.

"Today, air defense systems are deployed where they are most needed, to protect large cities, infrastructure facilities, nuclear power facilities, and the front line. We don’t have enough air defense systems, to put it mildly, to cover such a [big] state as Ukraine with a dome, as Israel did," Yuriy Ihnat, Spokesperson for the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, told Radio Liberty, Ukrinform reports.

UKRINFORM
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 6:56 am to
For all of ISW's nonsense about a "pause," the fighting around Pyatykhatky has been intense. Ukraine initially took the city two days ago, Russia counterattacked and almost got it back. Russians brag that they have rained down death on the Ukrainians inside the city and that pics will eventually show a graveyard of Ukrainian vehicles. For their part, Ukrainians say that the road to the village from Zherebyanky is littered with Russian tanks ( video from Ukraine's 128th).

That road going west leads to Zherebyanky, Luhove, and then towards Vasylivka, a town of over 12,000 before the war, formerly a lakeside town on the edge of the reservoir. Vasylivka is the Ukrainian objective in this section of the front.




Related, from @NOELReports:
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Russian local authorities in occupied Zaporizhzia region have reportedly imposed a curfew in Vasylivka and its district starting today from 21:30 to 05:00.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 7:09 am
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:00 am to
It’s gotten to the point for me where I’ve basically stopped listening to any accounts of losses or kills or whatever. The propaganda and bullshite is so thick right now from both UA and RUS that the only thing I’m paying attention to is movement of the front line.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:13 am to
The opposite of whatever is said by the analysts on Napolitano's Judging Freedom YouTube channel is likely the most accurate. Just do a 180 from whatever MacGregor, Pedo Ritter, Johnson and McGovern say.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:25 am to
So, this all could have been avoided for the low low cost of NATO neutrality?
From Elon's buddy Sacks:
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New evidence is emerging that a peace deal was achievable at the beginning of the war. At a recent meeting with the African delegation, Putin showed the draft of an outline or preliminary agreement signed by the Ukrainian delegation at Istanbul in April 2022. It provided that Russia would pull back to pre-war lines if Ukraine would agree not to join NATO (but Ukraine could receive security guarantees from the West).

This document has not been publicly released yet, but no one seriously contests that it exists. The only dispute is over what happened subsequently; Ukraine (via reporting in Reuters) contends the deal fell apart. However, the availability of a deal based on Ukrainian Neutrality is consistent with previous comments from Naftali Bennett, who said a deal was attainable but rejected by the West.

Why would the West do this? Ukrainska Pravda (UP), a pro-Ukraine publication, reported in May 2022:

“As soon as the Ukrainian negotiators and Abramovich/Medinsky [the Russian negotiators], following the outcome of Istanbul, had agreed on the structure of a future possible agreement in general terms, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson appeared in Kyiv almost without warning. "Johnson brought two simple messages to Kyiv. The first is that Putin is a war criminal; he should be pressured, not negotiated with. And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not. We can sign (an agreement) with you (Ukraine), but not with him. Anyway, he will screw everyone over", is how one of Zelenskyy's close associates summed up the essence of Johnson's visit.”

LINK

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Other evidence:

-Turkey’s foreign minister
-ex-Israeli PM
-sources close to Zelensky
-US officials/Fiona Hill


LINK
LINK


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Robert F. Kennedy Jr
@RobertKennedyJr
Awaiting White House propaganda offensive sugarcoating this calamity to sustain dwindling support for this misadventure in US. Revelation that UK &US leaders sabotaged April 2022 peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia. puts blame for this terrible crime on DC neocons; 350,000 dead !!

LINK

And before it even started a similar deal was spiked.
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This war was completely avoidable. The party in this conflict that actually sought diplomacy repeatedly was Russia.

Not something you'd read in the New York Times...

LINK
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 8:29 am
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:33 am to
BWAHAHAHA. Sacks might be a good economist prof but believes b.s.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:37 am to
If anyone buys what Sacks is selling then do they buy into letting China be the lone world's power and everything about Glowarming and sustainability? Also, that Covid was a natural occurrence a no lab leak
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:43 am to
That is pure bullshite and revisionist.

I remember at the beginning Zelenskyy himself said neutrality and separation from NATO was negotiable.

Here is an article from March 2022 of him crawfishing NATO ambitions.

LINK

If Russia said “ok you can’t joint nato and we will leave”, UA would have accepted that in a heartbeat. How the frick do you reckon we would force UA to keep fighting? This doesn’t even make sense.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:44 am to
quote:

New evidence is emerging that a peace deal was achievable at the beginning of the war. At a recent meeting with the African delegation, Putin showed the draft of an outline or preliminary agreement signed by the Ukrainian delegation at Istanbul in April 2022. It provided that Russia would pull back to pre-war lines if Ukraine would agree not to join NATO (but Ukraine could receive security guarantees from the West).


So Ukraine signed the deal, but did Russia?????

quote:

This document has not been publicly released yet, but no one seriously contests that it exists. The only dispute is over what happened subsequently; Ukraine (via reporting in Reuters) contends the deal fell apart. However, the availability of a deal based on Ukrainian Neutrality is consistent with previous comments from Naftali Bennett, who said a deal was attainable but rejected by the West.


Ukraine signed it. It fell apart. Johnson is blamed. Russia did what?

Something is missing here.

Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:02 am to
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So if you want the WHOLE article Here you go

And the actual full link and not a carefully cropped picture is this (bolded by me)

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Despite calls by some for a negotiated settlement that would involve Ukrainian territorial concessions, Putin seems uninterested in a compromise that would leave Ukraine as a sovereign, independent state—whatever its borders. According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries. But as Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated in a July interview with his country’s state media, this compromise is no longer an option. Even giving Russia all of the Donbas is not enough. “Now the geography is different,” Lavrov asserted, in describing Russia’s short-term military aims. “It’s also Kherson and the Zaporizhzhya regions and a number of other territories.” The goal is not negotiation, but Ukrainian capitulation.

At any point, negotiations with Russia—if not handled carefully and with continued strong Western support for Ukraine’s defense and security—would merely facilitate an operational pause for Moscow. After a time, Russia would continue to try to undermine the Ukrainian government. Moscow would likely first attempt to take Odessa and other Black Sea ports with the goal of leaving Ukraine an economically inviable, landlocked country. If he succeeds in that, Putin would launch a renewed assault on Kyiv as well, with the aim of unseating the present government and installing a pro-Moscow puppet government. Putin’s war in Ukraine, then, will likely grind on for a long time. The main challenge for the West will be maintaining resolve and unity, as well as expanding international support for Ukraine and preventing sanctions evasion.

This will not be easy. The longer the war lasts, the greater the impact domestic politics will have on its course. Russia, Ukraine, and the United States will all have presidential elections in 2024. Russia’s and Ukraine’s are usually slated for March. Russia’s outcome is foreordained: either Putin will return to power, or he will be followed by a successor, likely from the security services, who supports the war and is hostile to the West. Zelensky remains popular in Ukraine as a wartime president, but he will be less likely to win an election if he makes territorial concessions. And if Donald Trump or a Republican with views like his becomes president of the United States in 2025, U.S. support for Ukraine will erode.

Domestic politics will also play a role outside these three countries—and, in fact, outside the West altogether. The United States and its allies may want to isolate Russia, but a large number of states in the global South, led by China, regard the Russia-Ukraine war as a localized European conflict that does not affect them. China has even backed Russia rhetorically, refused to impose sanctions, and supported it in the United Nations. (One should not underestimate the durability and significance of Russia’s alignment with China.) Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar summarized the attitude of many developing states when he said that Russia is a “very important partner in a number of areas.” For much of the global South, concerns focus on fuel, food, fertilizer, and also arms. These countries are apparently not concerned that Russia has violated the UN Charter and international law by unleashing an unprovoked attack on a neighbor’s territory.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:09 am to
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Ukraine signed it. It fell apart. Johnson is blamed. Russia did what?

Something is missing here.


I'll see if I can dig anything up but IIRC any deals that were proposed basically fell apart because Russia wouldn't sign anything without the West negotiating directly with Russia and the West refused to negotiate directly with Russia.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8164 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:10 am to
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First-hand witness accounts are starting to trickle out now.


Finally here is first-hand witness accounts that prove you're full of shite.

Video of Budanov today
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1671154675251548160
quote:

Resurrected Budanov says Russians deliberately blew up the Kakhovka dam: Russian forces present on the spot were ordered to quickly evacuate 30 minutes before.

This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 9:11 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:37 am to
Defence concern of Ukraine reports about successful use of 1,000 km range drone
Ukrainska Pravda — Tuesday, 20 June 2023, 15:36

Ukroboronprom, state defence concern of Ukraine, reported about successful use of a Ukraine-produced drone with a 1,000 km range.

Source: Nataliia Sad, spokesperson of the state concern on Facebook, sources of Ukrainska Pravda in the defence sector

Details: Sad published a photo with Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Mykola Oleshchuk, Chief of the Air Forces of Ukraine, and Yurii Husiev, Head of the Ukroboronprom.

Photo, in which Zaluzhnyi takes a selfie, is captioned "After successful use of our 1,000 km range drone."

The time when the photo was taken was not disclosed. Meanwhile, according to the sources of Ukrainska Pravda, the drone was effectively used on 3 May 2023.

Reportedly, that day in the village of Volna in Krasnodar Krai in Russia (Taman), not far from the Crimean Bridge, an oil depot caught fire.

Ukrainska Pravda
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:58 am to
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From Putin's buddy Sacks:

FIFY

He's Commie trash:

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