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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:19 am to Chromdome35
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:19 am to Chromdome35
"Today."
Got it.
Got it.
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:19 am to Hateradedrink
There was never any attempt to join NATO pre Feb 24th. The goal was to join the EU which would have severely lessened Russian oligarch dominance of the Ukrainian economy.
Polling showed that Ukrainians didn't want to join NATO until AFTER Feb 24th last year, now they overwhelmingly support joining even ethnic Russians.
Well Sack of _____ is just that
Polling showed that Ukrainians didn't want to join NATO until AFTER Feb 24th last year, now they overwhelmingly support joining even ethnic Russians.
Well Sack of _____ is just that
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:22 am to CitizenK
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There was never any attempt to join NATO pre Feb 24th.
Ukraine joining NATO has been in the works since at least 2008.
quote:LINK
At the June 2021 Brussels summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest summit that Ukraine would eventually become a NATO member with the MAP as an integral part of the process, and Ukraine's right to determine its future and foreign policy without outside interference.[11] NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg also stressed that Russia will not be able to veto Ukraine's accession to NATO "as we will not return to the era of spheres of interest, when large countries decide what smaller ones should do."[12] Before further actions on NATO membership were taken, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022.
Here's the TL;DR for why this war is even happening:
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 11:28 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:32 am to 94LSU
Guess they should have e done a better job running the Soviet Union and not let it collapse. Then there wouldn't be NATO countries on Russia's doorstep. 
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:34 am to 94LSU
Still waiting for you to back up your statement that first-hand accounts are emerging. But we all know you can't, so frick off.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:50 am to IAmNERD
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Guess they should have e done a better job running the Soviet Union and not let it collapse. Then there wouldn't be NATO countries on Russia's doorstep.
NATO's entire reason for existing dissolved when the Soviet Union did. Why is it even still a thing?
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:52 am to 94LSU
Thats an ironic statement given this thread is about a war Russia started with Ukraine.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:53 am to Chromdome35
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Still waiting for you to back up your statement that first-hand accounts are emerging. But we all know you can't, so frick off.
Here's one recent analysis. Either your Twitter link or mine!
LINK
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:53 am to Chromdome35
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Thats an ironic statement given this thread is about a war Russia started with Ukraine.
We provoked it, by choice. None of the agreements we make are worth the paper they're printed on and the whole world knows that now. Well done I suppose.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:54 am to 94LSU
How much do you get paid to troll for Russia?
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:56 am to 94LSU
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Why is it even still a thing?
Because they can. I've noticed there hasn't been any wars on the lands of NATO nations since they decided to all get together and say "if anyone fricks with one of us, they frick with all of us."
Plus, the world doesn't bow to the whims of Russia. Russia doesn't like NATO? Oh well...
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:56 am to 94LSU
Please point out the first-hand witness statements in that thread.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 11:57 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:03 pm to 94LSU
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We provoked it, by choice. None of the agreements we make are worth the paper they're printed on and the whole world knows that now. Well done I suppose.
That'd be like us invading Cuba and saying Russia provoked us...
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:07 pm to IAmNERD
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. I've noticed there hasn't been any wars on the lands of NATO nations since they decided to all get together and say "if anyone fricks with one of us, they frick with all of us."
Oh that's rich. How many wars have NATO countries started on other countries' lands? Too many to count.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:07 pm to 94LSU
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Here's the TL;DR for why this war is even happening
Amazing that people extract this narrative from that.
Scandinavian countries are afraid of additional Russian encroachment. Eastern European countries are afraid of being subjugated by a pseudo Soviet state that doesn't respect their territorial integrity or their culture.
Because that's what Russian military interventions have forced in Georgia, Chechnya, and Ukraine. There would arguably be no need for NATO except for the steady military expansions from Russia to regain former Soviet states.
None of this excuses poor decisions by the United States to adventure abroad into theaters like Iraq. On the contrary it should have taught both the United States and Russia to avoid military conflict where possible.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:08 pm to OleVaught14
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That'd be like us invading Cuba and saying Russia provoked us...
Did you see in the news this morning that China wants to build a base in Cuba now? You're OK with that? I can't wait to be told how that's (D)ifferent though.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:12 pm to 94LSU
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Did you see in the news this morning that China wants to build a base in Cuba now? You're OK with that? I can't wait to be told how that's (D)ifferent though.
So you think we should invade Cuba over this?
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:12 pm to 94LSU
If not for NATO. Russia would have already moved into Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia. Has Ukraine been in NATO in 2014 Russia would not have invaded
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:42 pm to 94LSU
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Did you see in the news this morning that China wants to build a base in Cuba now? You're OK with that? I can't wait to be told how that's (D)ifferent though.
That map shows us having a base in Hong Kong. Do we have a base in Hong Kong?
It also shows us having an active base in Indonesia
edit: ah, I see; this map was circulated by about 10 or so twitter accounts that blasted this around early February when the Chinese spy balloon thing was going on.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:45 pm to 94LSU
Now post a map where NATO has their nukes.
ETA: Just because a country is in NATO doesn’t mean it has nukes. Nukes are in Germany, but not Poland for instance. Italy has nukes, but not Hungary.
ETA: Just because a country is in NATO doesn’t mean it has nukes. Nukes are in Germany, but not Poland for instance. Italy has nukes, but not Hungary.
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