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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:24 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:24 am to GOP_Tiger
Interesting details in Euromaidan Press about the new Ukrainian push south of Lobkove (close to the reservoir, or at least what's left of it).
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This morning, Ukrainians initiated their first assault in the direction of Pitykhatky. Considering the topographic map, Piatykhatky presented itself as the logical target since it is situated in the lowlands.
According to Russian sources, Ukrainians deployed 5 armored fighting vehicles and 2 tanks for the assault.
Furthermore, the Ukrainians have adopted a new tactic that has proven effective on the Zaporizhzhia front. They swiftly transport their assault units to the contact line using armored carriers, which quickly retreat while tanks provide distant fire support. Drone operators assist in assessing the ground situation.
quote:The attempt to capture the settlement failed, but Ukraine kept the forest area.
After an hour of continuous fighting, Ukrainians reportedly succeeded in driving the Russians out of the forest, which is a strategically advantageous position. The forest not only allows for concealment and concentration of assault units near two Russian-controlled settlements but also safeguards Ukrainian flanks against sudden counterattacks from Zherebianky.
Having achieved this initial success, Ukrainian forces prepared reinforcements to further consolidate their gains. Subsequently, they launched another series of attacks.
One small assault unit approached the Russians from the northern bank of the river, engaging them and reducing their mobility. Simultaneously, the second assault unit attacked the settlement from the southern bank, specifically from the forest.
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This forthcoming assault is anticipated to be even more challenging to repel as the Ukrainians now possess a better understanding of the terrain and will avoid previous mistakes.
Following Piatykhatky, the logical progression will lead to Zherebianky, which, due to its local geography, will necessitate heightened coordination among multiple assault units in various directions, along with tactical excellence.
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Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:31 am to GOP_Tiger
Russian propagandist and milblogger Alexander Kots forwards this on his Telegram: LINK
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Watching the ongoing battle in Zaporozhye, you once again come to the conclusion that the enemy will break down when (primarily society) when losses in personnel reach a critical level. Burials in every entrance of a multi-storey building, or on every street of a small village, all this at a constant, or better, at an increasing pace. Until this level is reached, the Ukrainian has a lot of cannon fodder, but right now he is moving by leaps and bounds to the point of war we want.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:48 am to GOP_Tiger
ISW Update June 16 (I know I'm slacking)
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Key Takeaways
Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive actions on at least three sectors of the front on June 16 and reportedly made gains.
Russian forces targeted Kyiv and Kryvyi Rih with cruise missiles and kamikaze drones on June 15-16.
The heads of state of seven African countries met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on June 16 in Kyiv as part of a joint peace mission.
The Kremlin claimed Russia has begun transferring tactical nuclear warheads (under Russian control) to Belarus, in line with previously announced plans.
Select current and former Russian municipal officials signed an open letter calling on Russian forces to return to “universally” recognized Russian borders due to the crisis caused by the destruction of the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant (KHPP) dam.
Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks along the Svatove-Kreminna line.
Russian and Ukrainian forces conducted ground attacks near Bakhmut and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
Ukrainian forces continued ground attacks in the Vuhledar area.
Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near the administrative border of Donetsk and Zaporizhia oblasts and reportedly made gains in this area.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) is attempting to monetarily incentivize the destruction of Ukrainian military equipment, likely to bolster ongoing recruitment efforts.
Russian and occupation authorities are attempting to strengthen Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) between Russia and occupied Ukraine.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:51 am to GOP_Tiger
One of the other interesting stories this morning is that a Rybar admin was invited on one of the TV shows, and during the interview, his screen showed that he had been texting with the admin of the Ukrainian Telegram channel "Truhi."
In a way, it seems natural for admins of large Telegram channels on opposing sides to compare each other's notes, so that they can be more confident of reporting accurate information.
But both Rybar and Truhi are now getting accusations of treason thrown at them from people on their respective sides.
I'm not really sure what to make of this story -- just thought it was interesting.
EDIT: link from @wartranslated: LINK
EDIT 2: one of the comments:
In a way, it seems natural for admins of large Telegram channels on opposing sides to compare each other's notes, so that they can be more confident of reporting accurate information.
But both Rybar and Truhi are now getting accusations of treason thrown at them from people on their respective sides.
I'm not really sure what to make of this story -- just thought it was interesting.
EDIT: link from @wartranslated: LINK
EDIT 2: one of the comments:
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For context: Truha(?????) telegram channel is always first to post videos of Russian missile hits - which is illegal. That’s why they are criticised every time they do it.
This screen-peak implies that Truha is doing it on purpose- and probably sends unblurred videos to Russians
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 8:59 am
Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:52 am to StormyMcMan
Random tweets
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Due to the explosion of the Kakhovka HPP, dissatisfaction with the war in Ukraine is growing in russia, – ISW.
A group of current and former russian officials is calling on russian troops to return to the "generally recognized" borders of the russian federation due to the environmental disaster caused by the explosion of the Kakhovka HPP dam in the Kherson region.
These are representatives of the municipal authorities of Moscow and St. Petersburg, as well as the Moscow and Leningrad regions of the russian federation. They signed an open letter calling on russian forces.
LINK
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Russian Sources are reporting that Heavy Fighting is still ongoing along the Frontline in the Zaporizhzhia Region with Russian Units being Forced to Withdraw from the Town of P'yatykhatky to the East of Luhove earlier this morning due to constant Assaults by Elements of the 128th Mountain Assault Brigade but that a Counterattack is now underway in an attempt to Recapture the Settlement; it’s claimed that Russian Air and Artillery Assets are causing Significant Losses to Ukrainian Manpower and Equipment in the Sector, including the Destruction of 2 Tanks and 3 AFVs.
LINK
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:09 am to StormyMcMan
Kakhovka HPP explosion most likely caused by blowing up underwater passage – NYT
Roman Petrenko — Saturday, 17 June 2023, 15:26
The journalists, referring to experts and after their own investigation, believe that the undermining of the underwater passage to the turbine hall is the most likely cause of the disaster at the Kakhovka HPP.
Source: The New York Times
Details: Engineers from Ukraine and the USA stated in a comment to the media outlet that there was an Achilles' heel deep inside the dam.
They point out that the dam was built during Soviet times, so Moscow had every page of the engineering drawings and knew where the vulnerability was.
Ample evidence reviewed by The New York Times, from original engineering plans to interviews with engineers who study dam failures, confirms that the dam collapse was no accident. The destruction of the concrete foundation hardly happened by itself.
According to two American engineers, given the satellite and seismic detections of explosions in the area, by far the most likely cause of the collapse was an explosive charge placed in the maintenance passageway, or gallery, that runs through the concrete heart of the structure.
"If your objective is to destroy the dam itself, a large explosion would be required," said Michael W. West, a geotechnical engineer and expert in dam safety and failure analysis, who is a retired principal at the engineering firm Wiss, Janney, Elstner.
Ukrainian engineer Ihor Strilets, who previously spent several months at the Kakhovka HPP, also believes that the only explanation for the destruction of the concrete base of the dam is an explosion in the gallery. According to him, the explosion destroyed part of the foundation, after which other parts of the dam located in the area of the explosion collapsed under water pressure.
The American professor emphasises that the section of the dam does not need to be crushed; it is enough to blow it up enough to be destroyed by water.
He added that it is "difficult to see how anything other than an internal explosion in the passageway could explain the damage".
Ukrainska Pravda
Roman Petrenko — Saturday, 17 June 2023, 15:26
The journalists, referring to experts and after their own investigation, believe that the undermining of the underwater passage to the turbine hall is the most likely cause of the disaster at the Kakhovka HPP.
Source: The New York Times
Details: Engineers from Ukraine and the USA stated in a comment to the media outlet that there was an Achilles' heel deep inside the dam.
They point out that the dam was built during Soviet times, so Moscow had every page of the engineering drawings and knew where the vulnerability was.
Ample evidence reviewed by The New York Times, from original engineering plans to interviews with engineers who study dam failures, confirms that the dam collapse was no accident. The destruction of the concrete foundation hardly happened by itself.
According to two American engineers, given the satellite and seismic detections of explosions in the area, by far the most likely cause of the collapse was an explosive charge placed in the maintenance passageway, or gallery, that runs through the concrete heart of the structure.
"If your objective is to destroy the dam itself, a large explosion would be required," said Michael W. West, a geotechnical engineer and expert in dam safety and failure analysis, who is a retired principal at the engineering firm Wiss, Janney, Elstner.
Ukrainian engineer Ihor Strilets, who previously spent several months at the Kakhovka HPP, also believes that the only explanation for the destruction of the concrete base of the dam is an explosion in the gallery. According to him, the explosion destroyed part of the foundation, after which other parts of the dam located in the area of the explosion collapsed under water pressure.
The American professor emphasises that the section of the dam does not need to be crushed; it is enough to blow it up enough to be destroyed by water.
He added that it is "difficult to see how anything other than an internal explosion in the passageway could explain the damage".
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 6/17/23 at 10:14 am to El Mattadorr
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Respectfully, doesn’t sound like you’re very educated on the Vietnam War. The “political” reason for withdrawing was that it wasn’t a winnable war. Which our leaders knew years before we finally left.
You are the one not educated. That war was easily winnable, but we were not willing to do the brutal things necessary to suppress the enemy. Our public would not stand for it. But if the public pressure was removed our military could have won that war, conventionally, in nine months, and if China went nuclear, in one week.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:44 pm to Penrod
I've been reading some stuff that indicates that the intensity has really picked up today south of Tokmak. One Russian source was boasting that the total number of destroyed Ukrainian vehicles today would end up looking like those of the first day of fighting there.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:54 pm to GOP_Tiger
Oh good grief. First, it was Zaluzhny, and now it's Budanov.
Can't Russian propagandists come up with any new material?
Can't Russian propagandists come up with any new material?
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:35 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:43 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I have many Jewish friends since childhood, they say Zelensky is not a Jew
I have many left handed friends since childhood, they say Zelensky is not a left handed person.
When a person’s hand dominance is equally relevant as a person’s Judaism to the issue at hand, you’re dealing with an anti-semite.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:04 pm to notiger1997
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Other than not using Nukes, tell us how they are not “all in” with this debacle?
I'm as anti-Russia/Putin as most, but they most certainly aren't "all in".
The 2022 mobilization was even called a "partial mobilization". They called up somewhere n the neighborhood of 300k reservists from a pool of about 25MM.
If anyone thinks that's "all in" then I'm not sure what to say. It could be one of the main factors that makes Putin's goal of his SMO fall short by not going all in when he should have if we are to believe he has his eyes towards the glory days of the Russian Empire/Soviet Union.
ETA: Sorry for discussing something several pages back. I've been busy.
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:09 pm to cypher
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On 21 April 2022, in an open letter to Russian president Vladimir Putin, Kyva applied for Russian citizenship and political asylum.[14]
Based on the analysis of videos published on his Telegram account, Ukrainian investigation platform Bihus.Info [uk] concluded (on 20 June 2022) that Kyva had settled in the cottage town of Agalarov Estate, near the village Pokrovskoye in Moscow Oblast.[15]
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:20 pm to IAmNERD
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:37 pm to CitizenK
Random tweets
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Peskov said that the task of Ukraine's demilitarization had been "largely fulfilled"
Putin's spokesman explained that Ukraine is using less and less of its own weapons, which are being replaced by Western weapons. As a result, NATO countries "intervene" in the conflict, causing it to prolong, and Russia is forced to use more decisive measures to protect "Russians in Donbas".
A year and a half after the start of the war, it turns out that Ukraine's switch to NATO weapons was the Kremlin's task.
LINK
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As a result of the explosion of the Kakhovskaya HPP, 16 people are known to have died, 31 people are missing.
According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 1,300 houses remain flooded, including 1,274 in Kherson region and 26 in Mykolaiv region. 3,614 people were evacuated from the flooded areas, including 474 children and 80 people with reduced mobility.
LINK
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"Denmark is ready to provide Ukraine with F-16 fighter jets after the approval of the United States, which manufactures these aircraft, according to the acting Danish Defense Minister ...
Denmark has 43 F-16 fighters, 30 of which are in active use.
LINK
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The USA will not simplify the path for Ukraine's membership in NATO.
This was reported by CNN with reference to the statement of US President Joe Biden.
"They have to meet the same standards. It shouldn't happen 'automatically' because there are a number of questions that need to be answered," –– Biden said
LINK
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:49 pm to StormyMcMan
That's funny being happy that old Soviet weapons are gone (other than the many more tanks captured) and replaced by more modern weaponry
Posted on 6/17/23 at 4:23 pm to CitizenK
lol.
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Translated from Russian by Google:
#UkraineRussianWar ?? The lame reindeer herder has reached the 94th GRAU arsenal in Omsk. Promotional video about "power". The whole joke is that the orcs have been "grazing" there since July 22, and everything that was somehow moving was almost taken away. There are peonies, carnations, hyacinths and tulips, but they no longer bloom.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 4:38 pm to OutsideObserver
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My wife's grandfather was a Captain in the Marines and served looking at aerial recon photos. I don't think that he got closer to the action than Ulithi or similar. She has a photo somewhere of him with a big wide grin and grass skirt bare chested native women on either side.
An uncle served in New Guinea and elsewhere in the Army as a his unit's machine gunner. He had lots of souvenirs including a several foot long string of Japanese gold teeth. The only thing that pissed him off about WWII was that black soldiers told Aussie women that they were American Indians, so they could get a piece. Nice improvising I think.
Sounds like a couple of interesting stories or three there!
My pop never talked about his service beyond that he was "up north" as they were sworn to secrecy on what they did and he took that seriously even up until his passing a few years ago. Not sure how close he got to actual combat, as a Signalman he would unlikely have been close to the front, though he was sent to hospital for injuries to his elbow and shoulder on separate occasions while up in New Guinea but we only have his enlistment transcript which is pretty vague on details.
He used to pop out proverbs such as "not to sit with your back to any doors" and "loose lips sink ships" so all the kids and grandkids fantasied that he was a spy or something when younger, which turned out to be not so far from the truth, though not in quite the way we imagined.
My father started flying when he was 14 and crop dusting at 15. He joined the Royal Canadian Air Force at 20 before America entered WWII mostly flying bombers from Canada to England.
When America entered the war he transferred to the Army Air Corp. He loved flying the high performance B26B that new pilots had such a hard time with. A couple of days before he was due to fly The Hump, the base general saw him land his B26B and had him sent to Tampa Bay as a flight instructor instead.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 5:17 pm to Auburn1968
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Rybar confirms that Ukraine has taken the little village of Piatykhaty, just east of what's left of the reservoir. They say that fighting continues on the outskirts.
Rybar confirms that Ukraine has taken the little village of Piatykhaty, just east of what's left of the reservoir. They say that fighting continues on the outskirts.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 5:32 pm to GOP_Tiger
Looks like I had the wrong city
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 5:34 pm
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