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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/15/23 at 6:23 pm to beerJeep
Posted on 6/15/23 at 6:23 pm to beerJeep
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Full on war economy and mobilization. The entire country, every man, woman, and child is an active participant in the war effort.
Russia couldn't go all in. Key sectors of the economy would collapse. Mobilizing does no good if the trains stop running and food stops being produced. I think that's what's been holding Putin back from declaring a full mobilization all along.
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Posted on 6/15/23 at 6:28 pm to WhereisAtlanta
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Not even close,
Posted on 6/15/23 at 6:49 pm to Jim Rockford
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Russia couldn't go all in. Key sectors of the economy would collapse.
Russia's economy is about the size of NY State's economy. It's not the old USSR.
Under normal circumstances, Russians are fun to drink with though.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 6:54 pm to CitizenK
I think there is validity in Kotkin's argument that the industrial technology transfer from the U.S. to the Soviets in the 1930's played a greater role than actual wartime arms and supplies via Lend Lease, which is the common narrative.
Setting aside mechanical performance in what we provided and well known strategic German blunders, Soviet industry in World War II overwhelmed German output.
They manufactured 95K wartime tanks and self propelled artillery vs Germany's 54K. Some of that surplus being used in current conflict... lol. Combat aircraft was 108k to 79k.
Amongst other supplies, the U.S. Embassy puts U.S. tanks via Lend Lease at 13k.
If not for the corruption and general thievery, I've always thought that Russian industrial capacity was their strategic advantage over Ukraine.
ETA: I originally wasn't aware of pre-war American industrial influences on Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin. A generalized background at American Heritage.
Setting aside mechanical performance in what we provided and well known strategic German blunders, Soviet industry in World War II overwhelmed German output.
They manufactured 95K wartime tanks and self propelled artillery vs Germany's 54K. Some of that surplus being used in current conflict... lol. Combat aircraft was 108k to 79k.
Amongst other supplies, the U.S. Embassy puts U.S. tanks via Lend Lease at 13k.
If not for the corruption and general thievery, I've always thought that Russian industrial capacity was their strategic advantage over Ukraine.
ETA: I originally wasn't aware of pre-war American industrial influences on Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin. A generalized background at American Heritage.
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 6/15/23 at 6:56 pm to Auburn1968
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Under normal circumstances, Russians are fun to drink with though.
Women are pretty also.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 7:03 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Some are many aren't. While I've never been to Dubai, a number of friends have and they are hanging around the few bars there for rent. Kyiv and Moscow may be the two largest supply centers for high class hookers.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 7:04 pm to MNCTigah
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They manufactured 95K wartime tanks and self propelled artillery vs Germany's 54K. Some of that surplus being used in current conflict... lol. Combat aircraft was 108k to 79k.
Germans were wrongly focused on overengineered and built with too much quality, the Russian strategy was to build as much as possible, at the end if the day it didn't matter. A tank is going to get shot up before it fails mechanically. There are books written about this.
Lol muh Ukraine, you simps
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 6/15/23 at 7:27 pm to Strannix
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There are books written about this.
Really, you must be kidding. I am sure no one here has ever heard about the overengineering Germany is, well, famous for. Surely the number who have heard the opinion that this was is no small part one of the reasons for their defeat in WWII is even lower.
The overarching reason for their defeat is they picked a fight with too large a chunk of the industrialized world and their allies were too inept or too far away to help them.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:04 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Russian people are great. It’s just they have been slaves for so long they craze the whip and chains
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:21 pm to TutHillTiger
The Russians who I know GTFO mainly due Putin
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:11 pm to TutHillTiger
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Russian people are great. It’s just they have been slaves for so long they craze the whip and chains
I have said it before but Russia had a chance in the 90's but Yeltsin was just not the man for the time. The people needed a transitional balance between open capitalism while still being aware they were somewhat controlled. This didn't happen and set up the conditions for Putin to come to power.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:29 pm to Darth_Vader
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Russia still has thousands of old T-62s, T-64s, T-72s and BPM1s, BRDMs etc they could pull from storage. They could probably put together an old Soviet style “Tank Army” like they had in West Germany during the Cold War.
Have you seen how the Russians store even their more modern equipment? I have zero confidence that their WWII-era tanks would function. Much less have ammo in decent enough condition to use.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:31 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:kraut did a great video on why the want and preference of autocratic dictatorship is so great within the Russian populace for the last thousand years
Russian people are great. It’s just they have been slaves for so long they craze the whip and chains
LINK
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:46 pm to El Mattadorr
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Have you seen how the Russians store even their more modern equipment?
There are lots of hoarders in the world from museum curators to the junk man every town has that spent his life filling up 10 acres with stuff he claims to need but lets rot and rust. Russia is one of the world's junk men.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:00 pm to Darth_Vader
The unspoken reality of the Great War in the east is that the USSR loses in 1943 without lend lease. The Soviets had bodies , but without the US they have no guns, bullets, shells , tanks or artillery to use against the Nazi. When should have never meant the Soviets a piece of scrap iron after they cut a deal with Hitler in 1939 and invaded Poland. We should have sat back and let them destroy each other , nuked the winner’s capital and then established democracy.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:03 pm to SwampGar
Isw update
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Key Takeaways
Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in at least three directions and reportedly made gains on June 15.
Russian milbloggers continue to credit alleged superior Russian electronic warfare (EW) capabilities and defensive doctrine for Russian forces’ successful defenses against Ukrainian counteroffensive operations in southern Ukraine.
Russian forces conducted another series of drone and missile strikes across Ukraine early in the morning of June 15.
The Russian military is advancing initial efforts to stand up new corps- and army-level formations to implement Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu’s announced intent to conduct large-scale force restructuring by 2026, though these new formations are not yet staffed and operational.
Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov deployed Chechen “Akhmat” special forces to border areas in Belgorod Oblast, likely as part of a continued effort to align himself with the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD).
Western states may provide F-16 fighter aircraft and additional Leopard tanks to Ukraine in the coming months.
Russian forces continued limited offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line.
Ukrainian and Russian forces conducted ground attacks near Bakhmut, and Russian forces have gained territory as of June 15.
Ukrainian and Russian forces reportedly continued limited ground attacks on the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
Russian and Ukrainian forces conducted offensive operations in western Donetsk Oblast.
Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations in western Zaporizhia Oblast.
Ukrainian intelligence reported that Russian forces are beginning to decommission specialized company-size assault units and transferring their personnel to volunteer formations.
Ukrainian partisans reportedly sabotaged a railway in occupied Melitopol, though ISW has observed no visual confirmation or Russian corroboration of the attack.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 2:33 am to StormyMcMan
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 16 June 2023
General-Major Sergei Goryachev was almost certainly killed in a strike on a command post on or around 12 June 2023, in southern Ukraine.
Goryachev was the chief of staff of 35th Combined Arms Army (35 CAA). With 35 CAA's nominated commander, General-Lieutenant Alexandr Sanchik, reported to be filling a gap in a higher HQ, there is a realistic possibility that Goryachev was the acting army commander at the time of his death.
Goryachev is the first Russian general confirmed killed in Ukraine since the start of 2023.
It continues a war record which has been both difficult and controversial for 35th CAA: in March 2022 elements of the army were present during the massacre of civilians in Bucha, and in June 2022 the force was largely wiped out near Izium.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 16 June 2023
General-Major Sergei Goryachev was almost certainly killed in a strike on a command post on or around 12 June 2023, in southern Ukraine.
Goryachev was the chief of staff of 35th Combined Arms Army (35 CAA). With 35 CAA's nominated commander, General-Lieutenant Alexandr Sanchik, reported to be filling a gap in a higher HQ, there is a realistic possibility that Goryachev was the acting army commander at the time of his death.
Goryachev is the first Russian general confirmed killed in Ukraine since the start of 2023.
It continues a war record which has been both difficult and controversial for 35th CAA: in March 2022 elements of the army were present during the massacre of civilians in Bucha, and in June 2022 the force was largely wiped out near Izium.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 3:00 am to cypher
OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
Ukrainian SBU forces conducted a number (reportedly 14) of drone-deployed munition strikes on Russian targets, destroying 7 tanks, 2 D-30s, an MT-12, and a UTV.
The drone used is definitely interesting, a custom heavyweight hexacopter dropping modified PG-7 HEAT warheads.
Twitter video
@Osinttechnical
Ukrainian SBU forces conducted a number (reportedly 14) of drone-deployed munition strikes on Russian targets, destroying 7 tanks, 2 D-30s, an MT-12, and a UTV.
The drone used is definitely interesting, a custom heavyweight hexacopter dropping modified PG-7 HEAT warheads.
Twitter video
Posted on 6/16/23 at 3:44 am to Tomherman
Maybe we should start sending the Ukrainians a bunch of citizen owned drones. I could send them mine and a bunch of duct tape. Pretty sure they could at least kill a few tanks with that, lol
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