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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/11/23 at 3:44 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 3:44 pm to
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The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense has announced that the Settlements of Makarivka and Blahodatne in the Donetsk Region were Liberated today by the 68th Jaeger Brigade with only “Limited Fighting” occurring due to the Withdrawal of Russian Forces from the Area.


Yeah, the official announcement of that progress means that Ukraine is advancing rapidly along this axis. I just saw this tweet:
quote:

Wargonzo says that if the Ukrainians reach Staromlynivka, then the situation for the Russians becomes critical.


As I said earlier, I agree with this. If Ukraine can capture Staromlynivka, then they will have east-west roads to broaden the salient, and then then have roads going towards Berdyansk and towards Mariupol. They can set up a new FOB there and will have Mariupol in HIMARS range.

Russia should be rushing whatever reserves it can to stop Ukraine from taking Staromlynivka. I suppose we will find out soon if they still have reserves to deploy.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 3:47 pm to
Ditto on how far they have advanced.

LINK
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 3:51 pm to
Or if you don't have reserves, you just blow up a dam:

LINK

quote:

The Russian Army has blown up a dam on the Mokri Yaly River in an attempt to stop the accelerating Ukrainian counteroffensive in the area


Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 3:56 pm to
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The Russian Army has blown up a dam on the Mokri Yaly River in an attempt to stop the accelerating Ukrainian counteroffensive in the area

It's what the Russians do.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 3:57 pm to
needs confirmation....

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24

The Ukrainian Army has taken Urozhaine.

Staromlynivka is next up.
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 4:08 pm to
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As I said earlier, I agree with this. If Ukraine can capture Staromlynivka, then they will have east-west roads to broaden the salient, and then then have roads going towards Berdyansk and towards Mariupol. They can set up a new FOB there and will have Mariupol in HIMARS range.


Wargonzo says that if the Ukrainians reach Staromlynivka, then the situation for the Russians becomes critical.

https://twitter.com/sierra__alpha/status/1667989143522099200?s=46
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 4:09 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 4:09 pm to
Rybar blames bad weather for Russian losses on this axis:

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Ukrainian formations are advancing in waves. Tactics usually come down to throwing assault units into the forest belt on armored vehicles: a foot offensive as part of squads and platoons with artillery support, and armored vehicles follow the infantry.

We believe that the offensive potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is still far from being exhausted, and in the near future we should expect an increase in the onslaught.

Due to bad weather, the situation on the Vremievsky ledge worsened: the ability to use drones and aviation was reduced. Russian units, leaving their positions in the destroyed frontline villages, were forced to retreat to the next line of defense.


Their map from 3 hours ago is already out of date:

Posted by cypher
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 4:15 pm to
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24

HIMARS missiles are raining down on Russian positions in Tokmak tonight.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 4:18 pm to
Not only did they blow the dam which will have run out in a day, they trapped their own forces facing AFU with nowhere to retreat to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 4:24 pm to
If my understanding of the situation is correct, then this is how Ukraine has made the advances that it has along this axis:

These towns lie along a river, and to the east of the river, there's a belt of forest along a ridge above the towns. Russia had troops defending the towns and the roads, but Ukraine had taken the Russian positions at the entrance of the ridge, and rapidly pushed armored vehicles along the road at the edge of the forest. After that, it was simply a matter of pinning Russian troops between Ukrainians advancing from the north and the threat of other Ukrainians to their rear along the forest ridge.

All of these towns have bridges across the small river, so once a town on the east side was taken, it would put severe pressure on the town on the west side, with Ukraine also advancing from the north on the road on the west side of the river.



EDIT: in short, Ukraine was able to use the terrain and the forest cover to make a rapid advance -- something that would be very difficult in the flat, treeless last to the west near the reservoir.

EDIT 2: And if I'm correct, the dam getting blown is going to do very little to slow Ukraine down.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 4:30 pm
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 4:40 pm to
A Russian soldier on the Vremievsky ledge front says “Already lost are not only the positions on which I stood, but practically reached my point of temporary deployment in the rear (10 km from the front)

https://twitter.com/faytuks/status/1668007808657248256?s=46

He adds that “This was expected, because the prepared defense lines were erected at Staromlynovka and closer to Krasnaya Polyana. Their construction took place before my eyes. We had many questions then why they were preparing for defense far beyond the house where we live”
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:02 pm to
I think that this guy is correct:

LINK

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If the Russians have blown the dam at Kliuchove, it means they are abandoning the area to the north, and moving into their main defense lines at Heorhiivka.





In other words, in another day or so, Ukraine is likely to be right up against the heavy, fortified, main Russian line.

It will be very interesting to see which side is better resourced there. Ukraine probably has not pushed enough force forward to break the line anytime soon, but, on the other hand, it might be thinly manned, and Ukraine could try to break the line before Russia is able to reinforce it.

If Ukraine could break that line and reach the top of the main ridge, then they would quickly be fighting downhill and in artillery range of Mariupol -- a very big IF, of course.

EDIT: But if Ukraine were able to break that line, they'd be at the Sea of Azov in another week. The next few days are absolutely critical.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 5:12 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:03 pm to
15ish or so more miles and Ukraine all but cuts the front in half and ends Crimea as a route of supply. Mariupol itself would be in HIMARS range and we and we all have witnessed what happens when they are in HIMARS range from Kherson last year. Even less to target the main road leading to Mariupol from Crimea.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 5:08 pm
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:27 pm to
This is where you have to watch for a tactical nuke, IMO.

With Russia, you have to watch what they do more so than what they say.

Russia is sending a message by going scorched earth and blowing dams. They’re moving tactical nukes into Belarus so that any retaliation from NATO on a nuke site is in Belarus.

I still think it’s all a bluff but this point in the war has the highest risk of escalation IMO.
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:28 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:30 pm to
quote:

And if I'm correct, the dam getting blown is going to do very little to slow Ukraine down.


If your post turns out to be accurate it is a strong indication Russia has made a plan and is slavishly following it despite the situation on the ground. This is another indication Russia is very slow to learn and implement. They have adapted to some things but it seems to be the exception as opposed to the rule.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:30 pm to
If true , how does this happen?
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:31 pm to
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This is where you have to watch for a tactical nuke, IMO.


They're not even at the first fortified line yet, why the hell would Russia use a tactical nuke? I know y'all think they're insane but that's ridiculous.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:32 pm to
Mine clearing vehicles go forward alone because mines.

Mine clearing vehicles get hit by artillery.

What’s not shown in that picture is the dead Russian artillery from counter battery fire.

Note that this time, the only dead vehicles are mine clearing vehicles instead of a bunch of APCs and a couple Leopard MBT
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 5:35 pm
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:33 pm to
They won’t use it there and not yet.

It will be if they push to the Azov sea and it will be into Kyiv.
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