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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:14 pm to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:14 pm to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
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This is exactly what you yourself are doing
Its a much more sane position to take than yours. I don't believe the Russians or Ukranians.
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Who do you want to win this war?
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:17 pm to WestCoastAg
Has anybody seen anything credible lately about where Zaluzhny has been the last 10 days or so? I've been seeing rumors for about a week but didn't take them seriously. I'm starting to think something is up though
He was unable to do a video conference with NATO, that's coming straight from Rob Bauer.
Ukraine said he was taking a vacation in Cyprus but this picture is from five years ago in Mariupol.
Prigozhin probably trolling but the timing is interesting.
He was unable to do a video conference with NATO, that's coming straight from Rob Bauer.
Ukraine said he was taking a vacation in Cyprus but this picture is from five years ago in Mariupol.
Prigozhin probably trolling but the timing is interesting.
This post was edited on 5/20/23 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't believe the Russians or Ukranians
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:19 pm to Breauxsif
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Who do you want to win this war?
Dont give a flipping frick as long as its not another money pit like Afghanistan or Viet Nam (it already is)
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:30 pm to FlintEastwood
FlintEastwood
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:34 pm to OutsideObserver
What makes me chuckle is people saying "Ukraine is losing because they lost Bakhmut! See OT people yall are just on hopium! Russia gonna steamroll Ukraine now!"
Meanwhile the actual posters in this thread as far back as January
"I don't understand why Ukraine just doesn't do a strategic retreat from Bakhmut as there is no sense in defending it" or "Bakhmut will likely fall in 72 hours"
Meanwhile the actual posters in this thread as far back as January
"I don't understand why Ukraine just doesn't do a strategic retreat from Bakhmut as there is no sense in defending it" or "Bakhmut will likely fall in 72 hours"
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:36 pm to OutsideObserver
What percentage of their armed forces did Ukraine lose holding that 0.0069%? Despite all of the cope, that is what matters.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:38 pm to FlintEastwood
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What percentage of their armed forces did Russia lose gaining that 0.0069%? Despite all of the cope, that is what matters.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:39 pm to OutsideObserver
That's my contribution to the not surprising surge of tit for tat since the reported fall of Bahkmut.
In other more meaty news Defmon3 has done an interesting analysis on what has been happening across the entire front for the last 2 months and what the fall of Bahkmut means.
Twitter -DefMon3
Very long thread so I won't post the entire thing but recommend having a look as he goes over each area and shows just how little things have changed.
These are the conclusions regarding Bahkmut and the next few months. This also marks more talk of just how many brigades Ukraine has amassed - proof in the pudding will be when we see then in action.
No, TD brigade is not for Tiger Droppings brigade
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In other more meaty news Defmon3 has done an interesting analysis on what has been happening across the entire front for the last 2 months and what the fall of Bahkmut means.
Twitter -DefMon3
Very long thread so I won't post the entire thing but recommend having a look as he goes over each area and shows just how little things have changed.
These are the conclusions regarding Bahkmut and the next few months. This also marks more talk of just how many brigades Ukraine has amassed - proof in the pudding will be when we see then in action.
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While Bakhmut city is certainly lost (more or less), I think AFU could be in a good position if they regained some more ground in the north and a little bit of ground in the south
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With a straightened frontline like this, they could utilize counter battery and start shooting fish in the Bakhmut barrel. Something like this is what I thought they should do back in February.
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RuAF keep committing units to Bakhmut and it's possible we will see them withdraw Wagner units and send in regular infantry, BARS etc. in Bakhmut. This is also why continued attacks on the flanks are needed from the AFU to force RuAF to commit troop.
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This will enable the AFU to set up for an offensive in other directions with the units dedicated for the purposes. Ukraine should at this point have somewhere between 20-25 mech/infantry/assault Brigades dedicated for this.
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They should have 9 bde equipped with western equipment, 3 equipped by them self. There is another 9 brigades in offensive guard. Ukraine have additionally 8 or so units forming. Plus there are a bunch of TD brigade and regular brigades which could support the offensive.
No, TD brigade is not for Tiger Droppings brigade
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:40 pm to FlintEastwood
Interesting
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:45 pm to DabosDynasty
We were told two months ago Wagner was pulling out and moving toward Africa.
Who the frick knows at this point.
Who the frick knows at this point.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
They’ve been all over Africa for years. Mail kicked the French out last year and hired Wagner to move in and help them fight ISIS. I know they have lots of guys in Central African Republic too.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:59 pm to FlintEastwood
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What percentage of their armed forces did Ukraine lose holding that 0.0069%? Despite all of the cope, that is what matters.
Both sides lost a lot over that small area.
Getting a percentage wise for either of them is impossible at this point given fog of war and disinformation. I would be surprised if it doesn't run into the multiple 10000's for both.
The Ukrainians appear to believe holding Russia there was both symbolic for their nation and baiting the bear into wasting its reserves over winter to give them an advantage as they built forces up over this time for a counter offensive.
The Russians appear to have used it to weaken Ukraine's ability to have enough manpower for said offensive and keep them occupied there while they fortified the rest of the line to defend against it.
The success or lack thereof of that counteroffensive will, at least partially, prove who was right and who was wrong about Bahkmut.
With that said it has been interesting how invested commentary about Bahkmut has become across media sources be they main steam, social media, or otherwise. Russia and Ukraine focused attention on it disproportionately for its size against the backdrop of the entire front.
Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 5/20/23 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 5/20/23 at 1:13 pm to OutsideObserver
Ukraine had to fight Russia somewhere this past winter. An urban defense is a lot better than a field or tree line. If Ukraine pulled back in Jan/Feb like some were urging, they would have still needed to fight the Russians somewhere to bleed strength.
It seems like they achieved their goal and/or the rate of return was dropping.
IMO, they held out long enough. The were able to focus Russian forces there for longer then anticipated and now they are about to start the offensive push somewhere. All while not giving up much ground since the last offensive.
It seems like they achieved their goal and/or the rate of return was dropping.
IMO, they held out long enough. The were able to focus Russian forces there for longer then anticipated and now they are about to start the offensive push somewhere. All while not giving up much ground since the last offensive.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 1:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We were told two months ago Wagner was pulling out and moving toward Africa.
Who the frick knows at this point.
Their removal from Ukraine is more interesting than redeployment to Africa and Syria where they serve a more limited and probably better suited purpose.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 1:17 pm to WestCoastAg
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I don't believe the Russians or Ukranians
Don't believe Americans either. Treat all others as though they lie often and all the time.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 1:20 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Don't believe Americans either. Treat all others as though they lie often and all the time.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 1:30 pm to upgrayedd
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If we don't send Ukraine 300 F-35's then Putin will be in Prague by Christmas!!!!
Damn, cant sneak anything past you guys.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 1:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Sounds like their pull out game is weak.
We were told two months ago Wagner was pulling out and moving toward Africa.
Who the frick knows at this point.
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