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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/14/23 at 11:34 pm to
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 5/14/23 at 11:34 pm to
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Let's be honest if you have seen the training/demonstration videos released by Belarus of their special operations soldiers Russia should send their national gymnastics team to fight them.

If you haven't seen any of the many videos of their training here is one that includes my favorite battle drill: the flaming jump rope.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 5/14/23 at 11:37 pm to
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Here's some more quality cope:

Armchair Warlord:

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We're now on D+5 of the Ukrainian counteroffensive, which was predictably launched into the Bakhmut flanks after Prigozhin spent months losing his mind on social media.

The modest gains shown have cost multiple AFU brigades and thousands of casualties to achieve.
Armchair Warlord apparently doesn't know what a brigade is.
Posted by gizmothepug
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:17 am to
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If this has any truth to it the moral of Wagner troops in Bakhmut is going to tank. If it comes to that big of a scandal to have Wagner troops pull out of the city the Russians would have no chance at forcing the Ukrainians out again.


It’s hard for me to understand why PMC’s are playing this big of a role for Russia. Between the people being forced to fight and people being paid to die, I don’t get it.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 5:31 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 15 May 2023

On 03 May 2023, several uncrewed aerial vehicles (UAVs) struck Russia's Seshcha Airbase, 150 km north of the Ukrainian border. One An-124 heavy transport aircraft of Russia's Military Transport Aviation (VTA) was likely damaged.

Seshcha is a hub for the VTA in western Russia and has played a major role in enabling Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Russia also uses the site to launch Iranian-produced one-way-attack UAVs towards Kyiv.

The VTA is a well-resourced element of the Russian Air Force, essential for transport across the vast country. Russian leaders will be concerned that Russia's air defences continue to be compromised, holding at risk key strategic assets such as VTA bases.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 5:35 am to
Reuters: UK to provide Ukraine with 'hundreds' of long-range attack drones

by The Kyiv Independent news desk
May 15, 2023 10:51 AM

The U.K. will provide Ukraine with "hundreds" of attack drones that have a range of over 200 kilometers, Reuters reported on May 15.

According to a government statement cited by Reuters, U.K. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak "will confirm the further U.K. provision of hundreds of air defense missiles and further unmanned aerial systems, including hundreds of new long-range attack drones with a range of over 200km."
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 5:54 am to
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In the coming weeks, France will train and equip several battalions with tens of armored vehicles and light tanks including AMX-10RC. Besides, France is focusing its effort in supporting Ukraine’s air defense capacities in order to defend its population against Russian strikes. 


LINK

I kinda thought that Macron might give more than that, but no.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 5:58 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 6:06 am to
Zelensky has now moved on to the UK, in his ongoing tour of Europe.

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UK PM says UK "will provide hundreds of air defence missiles and further unmanned aerial systems including 100s of new long-range attack drones with a range of over 200km. These will all be delivered over the coming months."


Long-range drones with a range over 200km? Hundreds of them. Russia is so screwed. Ukraine doesn't really even need GLSDB now.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 6:09 am to
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Britain also announced it would begin basic training of Ukrainian pilots this summer, "hand in hand with UK efforts to work with other countries on providing F16 jets – Ukraine’s fighter jets of choice."


LINK

Note that the UK doesn't have F-16s, but they do have simulators that can help get Ukrainian pilots ready for F-16s.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 6:22 am to
Washington Post: LINK


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NATO nations are locked in negotiations to determine next steps in Ukraine’s path toward joining the Western alliance, as member states scramble to bridge divisions over how quickly Kyiv should be brought under the transatlantic security shield at a time of acute hostility with Russia.
The discussions have intensified in the weeks before President Biden and other NATO leaders are due to gather in Vilnius, Lithuania, to cement plans for strengthening defenses against Russia, which upended decades of relative stability in Europe with its 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

Officials from NATO nations, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to detail sensitive diplomatic discussions, said there is consensus among the alliance’s 31 members that, despite advocacy from Kyiv, NATO will not issue Ukraine a formal invitation to join at the July 11-12 meeting.

But Eastern European nations are pushing for concrete steps toward that goal, including potential commitment to a timeline for Ukraine’s accession, even as the United States and some Western European nations advocate smaller steps that could include a bureaucratic upgrade to a NATO-Ukraine body or a decision to further expand NATO’s technical support to Ukraine’s defense sector.

“The Vilnius summit will not be historic,” said Ambassador Nataliia Galibarenko, the head of Ukraine’s mission to NATO, “without the decision on Ukraine’s future in the alliance.”

Despite the difficulties involved with admitting a country in the midst of a major war, Ukraine believes that NATO “should define a path for our membership, and set the algorithm of Ukraine’s movement toward accession to NATO, instead of another repetition of the statement about ‘open doors’ policy,” Galibarenko said. “This is not enough.”
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Countries that support faster action argue that making membership conditional on Ukraine’s ability to repel Russia’s full-scale invasion effectively gives Putin a veto — not the message NATO wants to send.

They say history shows that only membership, not the promise of it, can deter Russia’s use of force. Months after NATO’s 2008 declaration of eventual accession for Ukraine and Georgia, another former Soviet republic, Putin sent Russian forces into Georgia to seize territory. Ukraine’s slow steps toward NATO accession likewise did not deter Putin’s illegal seizure of Crimea in 2014 or its full-scale invasion last year.
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But unlike 2008, it is the United States, along with other powerful allies in Western Europe, that prefers a slower, more cautious approach.

U.S. officials say the Biden administration prefers that NATO nations prioritize providing Ukraine with continued battlefield support as it prepares for a long-awaited counteroffensive. They see membership and potential security guarantees as matters that should be addressed as part of an eventual settlement to the war.
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Countries with stronger reservations point out that admitting Ukraine while it is at war with Russia could automatically trigger Article V, NATO’s mutual defense clause, which would thrust the alliance into a major conflict with the world’s biggest nuclear power. Rapid steps toward accession might also cause Putin to escalate his campaign in Ukraine.

One official from Eastern Europe said there is “something of a ping-pong between Germany, France and the U.S.,” in which each country indicates that the others are the ones with the most significant reservations. The French and German governments declined to provide comment for this article.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 6:34 am to
Note that @Tatarigami_UA is a Ukrainian military officer, last known to be fighting near Vuhledar. In the past, he was somewhat critical of the Ukrainian MoD's decision to continue to fight in Bakhmut, indicating that he thought that losses were too high and they should pull out. Obviously, everyone now agrees that Ukraine made the right decision there, but the point is that he doesn't automatically tell people what they want to hear.

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Bakhmut update. Thread

1/ Based on testimonies from PoW's, it has been revealed that several Russian regiments, predominantly composed of mobilized troops, were hastily deployed from rear positions without training or preparation after Prigozhin's statement about Bakhmut.

2/ These regiments were swiftly relocated to the flanks of Bakhmut, where deployed companies and battalions suffered devastating losses. Within a short period of three to five days, the casualties exceeded 40%, primarily comprising soldiers killed in action.

3/ The enemy soldiers reported a complete absence of commanders at the frontline, along with a severe lack of communication and the absence of clear orders. They complained over the mistreatment from the Wagner forces - who treat them as the lowest caste

4/ It was also reported that Wagner forces have assumed control over some of the Ministry of Defense units in the Bakhmut area. Because of that, there is a mistrust between units, as soldiers are systematically assigned by Wagner to areas where their chances of survival are low.

5/ Multiple prisoners of war expressed skepticism regarding Wagner's claims of limited ammunition and equipment. They claim to have significantly fewer resources in terms of ammunition and equipment compared to the Wagner forces.

6/ This situation further worsened when the Russian Ministry of Defense started deploying units consisting of convicts, a practice that was previously exclusive to Wagner forces. These convicts, have limited military value and sustain high losses.

7/ In the city, Ukrainians continue to face a challenging situation, while situation on flanks continue to decline for russians. Their attempts to reinforce with low-quality units have resulted in heavy losses and a significant blow to russian troops morale.

Posted by lsucoonass
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 6:40 am to
So does Russia also take over Belarus and Moldova?
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 6:55 am to
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So does Russia also take over Belarus and Moldova?


Given the current conditions in Ukraine, I imagine they have all but forgotten about Transnistria much less all of Moldova, at least unless or until the conditions in Ukraine become more favorable to Russia. I doubt they could even think about taking Transnistria/Moldova without a landbridge through Ukraine anyway.

Belarus is a different issue if Lukashenko is dead or dies. They will have to spend some effort to ensure another puppet ascends. If civil war starts they may end up with a two-front war which would be serious heartburn for Putin.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 7:29 am to
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Long-range drones with a range over 200km? Hundreds of them. Russia is so screwed. Ukraine doesn't really even need GLSDB now.


Complementary new 185 KM recon drone JUMP 20 also on the horizon. No where to hide.

Maker of Switchblade drones to equip Ukraine with advanced reconnaissance UAVs

May 15, 2023, 04:40 AM

The Jump 20 drones were included in the U.S. military aid package announced by Washington on Feb. 24.

Link also has cool video of JUMP 20.

The New Voice of Ukraine

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 7:45 am to
All of this newly promised equipment is a huge morale boost for Ukraine, as they have ensured that the upcoming offensive won't peter out and die for lack of reinforcement.

Even if they lose substantial equipment in this offensive, the Ukrainian military will be much stronger in the fall than it is now.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 7:48 am to
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Armchair Warlord


I just went to their Twitter page and here is a retweeted goody

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1/3

To the idealists who keep repeating that the Ukraine war can end very simply right now if Russia just withdraws its troops, a much-needed dose of realism:

There are only 2 options before Ukraine at this stage:

2/3

1. Ukraine surrenders, agrees to demilitarise & be neutral, and gives up 9 Russian oblasts to Russia.

2. Ukraine is forcibly demilitarised by the complete annihilation of its army, is forced into neutrality at gunpoint, and watches as Russia annexes the 9 oblasts.

3/3

Those who want peace and are realistic would prefer the first option.

Only the irretrievably stupid or callous would prefer the second.

Because those are really the only two choices there are.

Compris?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 7:57 am to
Yeah, he, Russians with Attitude, and GeromanAT are the three biggest pro-Russian idiots on Twitter.

I can't stomach them on an ongoing basis. I do follow Zoka and Logka to try to get pro-Russian news without most of the BS.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:09 am to
Finally. I have been asking for months for some media organization to add up the remaining money available in the Pentagon budget for Ukraine.

Politico

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The $48 billion Ukraine aid package that Congress approved in December has about $6 billion left, meaning U.S. funding for weapons and supplies could dry up by midsummer.
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“It is critical that the administration provide Ukraine with what it needs in time to defend and take back its sovereign territory,” Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) told Pentagon leaders during a hearing on Thursday. “We expect the administration not to wait until the eleventh hour if the Ukrainians need more before the end of the fiscal year.”

The White House is discussing a new package, and it will be timed to keep support for Ukraine flowing, said a senior administration official who was granted anonymity to speak ahead of an official announcement.

The official added that it’s unclear how Ukraine’s needs might change during or after the counteroffensive, but that the administration is “fully committed” to supporting Kyiv during and after the fight “for the long haul.”


In other words, it will be easier to get votes once Ukraine has some success in its offensive.
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“It’s clear that it will” happen, Collins said. “I expect there will need to be a supplemental at some point. It’s also clear that it’s taken far too long to get munitions and tanks delivered to the Ukrainians.”
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This month, the U.S. announced a $1.2 billion package of drones, artillery, air defense systems, and software and technical help to network Ukraine’s air defenses. All of those items will be placed on contract with U.S. defense companies, and are meant to help support Ukraine in the long term. That package leaves $4 billion in the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, further draining the money available.

One congressional aide who closely tracks the issue estimated that, based on the rate of announcements, the money to draw down existing U.S. stockpiles will expire in July. That would mean the flow of equipment could be disrupted if Kyiv has to wait an extended period for a new tranche of funding.



So, there's $4 billion left in USAI and about $2 billion in drawdown authority.

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Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said it would be a “mistake” for the Biden administration to bank on an additional Ukrainian supplemental funding measure.

“It looks like they’re expecting some sort of a supplemental at some point — they’re going to come back and ask for more money,” Rubio said. “I think that’s a mistake. I think it should be in their baseline” budget.




So keep in mind that Lend-Lease has not yet been used. So, even without further Congressional appropriation, we could continue to send equipment to Ukraine.

But that's not the same thing as being able to buy 155mm ammo from some unaligned country and deliver it to Ukraine. Lend-Lease won't cover all of Ukraine's needs.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:42 am to
$6 billion is still a lot of assistance but other countries need to be stepping it up besides us and Britain. We have given so much more than everyone else combined and the Brits have given a lot compared to the size of their military which isn’t as big as a lot of people probably think it is. It will be tough to get more funding past the $6 billion though that much is clear. I was hoping France would take the lead on fighter jets and offer 2-3 squadrons of their Mirage 2000 jets. The f-16 is superior and would be the better long term jet but the Mirage would be the better choice for this war with Ukraine’s current airfields. It was always going to be the f-16 though on numbers and spare parts alone but the Mirage can fire Storm Shadow where the f-16 has never before. I’m sure it can be configured somehow. What they really need in the immediate future though are SAMs and a whole hell of a lot of drones so it seems they are on the right path.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 10:30 am
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:52 am to
New update from Ukraine Volunteer, lots of interesting discussion on drone useage.

https://ukrainevolunteer297689472.wordpress.com/2023/05/13/i-may-try-to-snag-a-new-ak-there-are-plenty/
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If you noodle it around…drones here are being outfitted for many aspects of warfare, from intel to combat, and they can also jam and defeat jamming. A list of all the things they are being used for here, and the no-shite capabilities that will come soon, is a long one. They can act as comm repeaters for low-powered field radios, and can work together (mini swarm). Once all of this gets fully ironed out, it is going to change warfare.

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I guess I am thinking these small, cheap drones (with shaped charges) will become as prevalent as ammo for say, sniper rifles. Mental masturbation. A head crash would drill a hole right through the brain case and brain, completely through. It would be a bit messy since organics are structurally different than concrete or steel. One also has to consider thin skin targets, such as truck radiators, airplanes, fuel storage tanks and so on.

Of course a shaped charge does not live in a vacuum, it needs a power and initiation means, but that is available now.

The real key here is using the full capabilities of drones as is possible and practical now, and combine them with human recon and then feed all that back to assault troops, who then use them in a combat information and direct combat mode.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:59 am to
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1658066544335761410
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Forwarded text from Igor "Strelkov" Girkin TG channel (original source TG: "BlackColonel2020"). Translated by Google.

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