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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/7/23 at 8:30 am to CitizenK
Posted on 5/7/23 at 8:30 am to CitizenK
I am not saying that the riff between Prigozhin and the MOD is fake. I believe it is real. What I am saying that his latest tirade was nothing but a power move. He was hedging his bets and wanted to shift blame for their failure for not taking it by May 9. Prigozhin has Putin by the short hairs and he knows it. Putin can't afford to lose Wagner. That is Prigozhin's ace card right now. He can apparently throw tirades and get his way. Who else can say what he says and survive? Putin has to kiss his arse right now. What is his alternative? Prigozhin has a direct line to Putin. Prigozhin is a hero and growing very popular with the Z nationals/radicals. Plus what he said about the fat cats in the MOD and their family had a lot of truth in it.
This post was edited on 5/7/23 at 8:43 am
Posted on 5/7/23 at 9:14 am to cypher
quote:Does that not sound like the MoD is taking command of the Wagner forces?
And they give us [Sergei] Surovikin (former commander of Russian forces in Ukraine – ed.) as a person who will make all decisions within the combat operations of the Wagner PMC in cooperation with the Defence Ministry."
Posted on 5/7/23 at 9:30 am to GOP_Tiger
BKR is back, saw him in another thread today. New account, 4 posts, might be someone else just using the name.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 9:39 am to Chromdome35
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BKR is back,
Can't wait to hear the latest Russian propaganda points about how Ukraine isn't really a country and the citizens are just confused Russians because of NATO or something
Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:06 am to StormyMcMan
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??Türkiye refused to hand over the S-400 air defense system to Ukraine at the request of the US, the head of the Turkish Foreign Ministry, Mevlüt Çavusoglu, told the Haberturk TV channel.
The states offered Türkiye to hand over complexes to Ukraine to protect the sky, but the offer was rejected. In addition, Türkiye also refused to give the US access to the systems for their study.
LINK
Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:28 am to StormyMcMan
Interesting video showing Ukrainian amphibious operations. I haven't seen this capability from them before.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1655207232374439942
From the comments
Wonder what else we've given them that hasn't been disclosed before
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1655207232374439942
From the comments
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That’s a US Marines Assault Amphibious Vehicle (AAV).
Didn’t know Ukraine had any of those.
Wonder what else we've given them that hasn't been disclosed before
This post was edited on 5/7/23 at 10:30 am
Posted on 5/7/23 at 11:34 am to Chromdome35
I’ve long said if they ever decided to give Ukraine a few ATACMS or Storm Shadows, especially for this upcoming offensive, that it would be crazy to let it be known. That’s something you’d use to officially start an offensive and wouldn’t want Moscow to think was coming. If you’re attacking in the south with an amphibious attack what better way to kick things off and stir confusion than sending a few ATACMS at Kerch?
This post was edited on 5/7/23 at 11:38 am
Posted on 5/7/23 at 1:11 pm to Chromdome35
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BKR is back
Cool. I can't wait for him to discuss his bet in early January that Bakhmut would fall in 7-10 days.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 1:28 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Czech president warns Ukraine against rushed counteroffensive
Pavel is definitely one of the politicians to pay the most attention to, as he's only a few years removed from being a general with a leadership position in NATO.
So, it would seem that this push for patience is a sign that the offensive won't begin until the end of the month, but it could also obviously be part of some psyops.
Czech president warns Ukraine against rushed counteroffensive
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The Czech president, Petr Pavel, a decorated retired general who was previously Nato’s principal military adviser, has privately warned Ukraine’s leadership against the disaster of a rushed counteroffensive.
In recent meetings in Kyiv with Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, and prime minister, Denys Shmyhal, Pavel cautioned that they no longer had the element of surprise that aided successful assaults on the eastern city of Kharkiv and southern region of Kherson last year.
The war hero, who was chair of the Nato military committee until 2018 and decorated by the Czech and French governments for rescuing French troops besieged by the Serbs during the Bosnian war in 1993, said there was recognition in Kyiv that gaps remained in Ukraine’s capacity for a successful offensive against Russian forces.
He said Zelenskiy had asked him and his Slovak counterpart, Zuzana Caputová, for their nations each to arm a Ukrainian mechanised brigade before the long-anticipated counter-assault.
“Apparently, they still have a feeling that they do not have everything to start successfully an operation,” Pavel said.
With preparations still being made, Pavel, who was elected in January, said he had appealed to Shmyhal during meetings last week not to be “pushed into a faster pace before they are fully prepared”.
“Because it might be a temptation to push them, for some, to demonstrate some results,” Pavel said in an interview during a visit to London for King Charles’s coronation. “It will be extremely harmful to Ukraine if this counteroffensive fails, because they will not have another chance, at least not this year.”
Ukraine would inevitably face “terrible losses” no matter the strength of its forces, he said, and it could not afford for the assault to fail. “Because it’s extremely demanding in terms of putting together personnel equipment, ammunition logistics, fuel financing. It will simply be one chance this year, so it has to be successful.”
In a wide-ranging interview – his first in the UK – Pavel also said:
- EU member states agreed this weekend to source ammunition for Ukraine from outside the bloc, including the UK and the US, despite initial objections from France, a decision he said would increase the scope for helping Ukraine in the next weeks and months.
- Europe did not have the capacity to produce the armaments it needs but it could buy it in and Zelenskiy had said he would provide qualified technicians for new ammunition factories if the EU defence industry fell short. “He said: ‘Yeah, we can do that.’”
- The EU should source ammunition for Ukraine from all over the world, including countries that might not want to admit to being involved in the conflict with Russia, or with whom European capitals might feel some diplomatic embarrassment in dealing with – “there are ways how we can do it”.
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“Volodymyr Zelenskiy is a man who doesn’t have time to go around the problem and I indicated from the very first moment of our meeting that I’m also not a man of diplomatic language,” Pavel said. “So I encouraged him to go straight to the problem, and he said: ‘Well, OK, we need a lot of ammunition.’ And then he gave me a load of equipment that they need to build successfully and obligates for a counteroffensive.
“They are trying to set up up to nine mechanised brigades. And since he met me and Zuzana Caputová on the same day, he asked us if we could take, each nation, one brigade, which is in effect something about 35 tanks and 100 armed personnel carriers (APCs) and ammunition.
“Now, it will be extremely difficult even though the Czech Republic has already delivered slightly less than 100 tanks, especially T72s, many of them modernised, about a similar number of APCs, artillery, rocket launchers and a lot of ammunition. Where we still have some capacity is air defence systems with a number of rockets, which will be very helpful to them.”
Pavel said Kyiv should not “underestimate the Russians because they have enough manpower, they still have enough equipment, even though it is older, probably in lower numbers, but still, they have a large amount of artillery barrels, they have a lot of ammunition.”
Pavel is definitely one of the politicians to pay the most attention to, as he's only a few years removed from being a general with a leadership position in NATO.
So, it would seem that this push for patience is a sign that the offensive won't begin until the end of the month, but it could also obviously be part of some psyops.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 2:31 pm to GOP_Tiger
He’s right though. Russia, while greatly weakened, is still a formidable adversary simply because they have an almost u limited amount of bodies they are willing to send to get slaughtered just to run Ukraine low on ammunition. I would think Zelensky’s ask of 9 new outfitted mechanized brigades is if anything a low ball ask, especially if they plan a 2 pronged or broad attack. This is where the U.S. needs to try to help with South Korea and Pakistan. Both have a large amount of armored vehicles in their forces that they could strike some sort of deal on. France also needs to be called out. They have Leclerc tanks and armored vehicles that they can spare but it seems the French are always going to be the French. With other NATO nations sending tanks and IFVs, they choose to do nothing besides send 10 of their old AMX-10 “tanks” that aren’t tanks at all.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 3:09 pm to mmcgrath
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Does that not sound like the MoD is taking command of the Wagner forces?
I mean, Wagner's operations in Ukraine have always been under the authority of the Russian MoD.
I thought that this was a good point from Rob Lee:
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I think this was an attempt by Prigozhin to get Putin to intervene on his behalf. If private channels weren't working, public channels were another option. Doubtful that taking the remainder of Bakhmut is strategically worth the amount of ammunition he will expend in the process.
That appears to be the choice that Russia faces right now:
1) Save critically short ammo to defend against Ukraine's upcoming offensive, or
2) Try to complete the capture of Bakhmut
Posted on 5/7/23 at 3:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Picked a peck of pickled peppers.
The Czech president, Petr Pavel
Posted on 5/7/23 at 3:53 pm to soccerfüt
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Kadyrov forbade Prigozhin to leave Bakhmut and began to entice mercenaries from the "Wagner" PMC
Kadyrov urged the mercenaries to turn to Chechen commanders and promised better conditions. "If you stay with us, I promise you that we will give you more ... We will create better conditions than today," Kadyrov said in a video address to the head of the "Wagner" PMC, Yevgeny Prigozhin.
Kadyrov also criticized Prigozhin for threatening to withdraw mercenaries from Bakhmut. "Zhenya, you will, until we reach the positions, you will be on the defensive. And when we start offensive, only then we will determine where you should go next. <...> I'm telling you - you have to do this, this, and this. People will contact you and explain," Kadyrov told Prigozhin.
After that, the head of the "Wagner" PMC said that the mercenaries will remain in Bakhmut: he allegedly managed to negotiate with the Ministry of Defense for the supply of ammunition. "They promise to give us as much ammunition and weapons as we need to continue further action, they swear to us that everything will be supplied on the flank that is necessary so that we are not cut off by the enemy," Prigozhin said
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Missiles reported over the Odesa Region of Southern Ukraine; Air Defenses are Actively attempting to to Intercept them.
It appears this may be a Mixed-Attack of Kaliber Cruise Missiles and Shahed-136 Drones.
LINK
Posted on 5/7/23 at 3:57 pm to StormyMcMan
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Missiles reported over the Odesa Region of Southern Ukraine; Air Defenses are Actively attempting to to Intercept them.
Apparently there have been hits in Odessa around Shkolny Airfield and warehouses along the railroad.
Video
Also, Zatoka Bridge was targeted again.

This post was edited on 5/7/23 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 5/7/23 at 4:57 pm to LSUPilot07
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France also needs to be called out. They have Leclerc tanks and armored vehicles that they can spare but it seems the French are always going to be the French. With other NATO nations sending tanks and IFVs, they choose to do nothing besides send 10 of their old AMX-10 “tanks” that aren’t tanks at all.
Macron has problems right now that are bigger than Ukraine.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 5:09 pm to FlintEastwood
Also massive artillery strikes on Chasov Yar this evening
Posted on 5/7/23 at 5:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
I’d expect the next 24 hours to be very hot in Bakhmut. They are going to throw the kitchen sink at the Ukrainians so they can celebrate some kind of victory at their parade. I’d be shocked if they succeeded. No way Ukraine will give Putin that win.
This post was edited on 5/7/23 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 5/7/23 at 6:06 pm to LSUPilot07
That’s what they said for the one year anniversary of the invasion.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 7:21 pm to Athanatos
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At least 1 Kh-22 Anti-Ship Missile that was launched by Russian Aircraft over the Black Sea towards Odesa was used to Target a Warehouse in the Region which was Totally Destroyed with Fires continuing to Burn; it is not currently known what was being Stored in the Warehouse.
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Air Defenses in Kyiv are continuing to Engage Targets over the City.
LINK
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In private conversations…Shoigu, has professed a willingness to dig in for long haul, vowing to carry out more mobilizations if necessary & emphasizing Russia is capable of conscripting as many as 25m fighting-age men, a senior European official said.”
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Minor Damage has occurred to a Runway and Hanger at Kyiv International Airport as a result of “Debris” from a Shahed-136 Drone that is claimed to have been Shot Down by Air Defenses.
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A 3rd/4th Wave of Russian Shahed-136 “Kamikaze” Drone are approaching the Airspace over the Ukrainian Capital of Kyiv as Explosions can continually be heard over the City.
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A Major Assault by Wagner Forces appears to be underway against Ukrainian Defenders in the Western Outskirts and Districts of Bakhmut with reports of Significant Heavy Artillery being utilized.
I guess they got their Shells and Ammo already…
LINK
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It is reported that the Kadyrov special forces "Akhmat" arrived in Bakhmut
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This post was edited on 5/7/23 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 5/7/23 at 7:58 pm to StormyMcMan
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways
Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin and Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov may have compelled the Russian theater commander in Ukraine, Army General Valery Gerasimov, to resume artillery ammunition distribution to Wagner forces in Bakhmut despite Gerasimov’s desired de-prioritization of that effort.
Kadyrov’s threats to transfer his forces to Bakhmut may have blackmailed the Russian military command into allocating ammunition to Wagner mercenaries.
Kadyrov likely supported Wagner’s blackmail efforts against the Russian military command to reestablish his position within the circle of power of the Kremlin.
Gerasimov's apparent need to negotiate with subordinate commanders and those commanders’ ability to force his hand suggests that chain of command problems are significantly impacting the Russian military's ability to conduct coherent theater-wide operations.
These events raise questions about Russia’s ability to coordinate a coherent theater-wide defensive campaign.
Prigozhin’s and Kadyrov’s ability to significantly influence Russian military command decisions relies on Putin’s willingness to appease them and his reliance on their forces – both of which will likely degrade after further blackmail efforts.
Prigozhin’s continued fight to complete the capture of Bakhmut contradicts his consistent narrative that capturing Bakhmut lacks strategic value.
Russian forces continued limited offensive operations northeast of Kupyansk and south of Kreminna.
Russian forces made some territorial gains in Bakhmut as of May 7 and continued limited offensive operations on the Avdiivka-Donetsk front.
Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces launched up to 23 drones at Crimea on the night of May 6 to 7.
Russian federal subjects are continuing to recruit and form regional armed formations and volunteer battalions.
Russian occupation authorities continue to plan and carry out forced evacuations from Zaporizhia Oblast.
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