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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/6/23 at 4:59 am to cypher
Posted on 5/6/23 at 4:59 am to cypher
Ukraine's Air Force admits shooting down first Russian ballistic missile on May 4
by The Kyiv Independent news desk May 6, 2023 11:08 AM
Ukraine's Air Force admitted on May 6 that it shot down a Russian Kh-47 Kinzhal ballistic missile for the first time since the start of the war.
The Air Force said that a Patriot air defense system was used to destroy the ballistic missile over Kyiv Oblast that Russia launched from MiG-31K in its territory at around 2:30 a.m. on May 4.
The Air Force said that the military leadership decided not to publish information about the downing of the Kh-47 Kinzhal missile by the Patriot system immediately due to "quite obvious" reasons. It didn't elaborate.
The report comes after a denial from the force's spokesperson Yurii Ihnat on May 5, who said that ballistic missiles were not shot down or even detected over Kyiv's airspace on May 4.
The question to Ihnat was in response to the publication Defense Express's report on May 5 that a Kh-47 Kinzhal ballistic missile could have been successfully shot down by Ukrainian air defense overnight on May 4.
Ukraine received U.S. Patriot air defense systems at the end of April, which are viewed as one of the world's best air defense systems, and enable Ukraine to shoot down ballistic missiles.
by The Kyiv Independent news desk May 6, 2023 11:08 AM
Ukraine's Air Force admitted on May 6 that it shot down a Russian Kh-47 Kinzhal ballistic missile for the first time since the start of the war.
The Air Force said that a Patriot air defense system was used to destroy the ballistic missile over Kyiv Oblast that Russia launched from MiG-31K in its territory at around 2:30 a.m. on May 4.
The Air Force said that the military leadership decided not to publish information about the downing of the Kh-47 Kinzhal missile by the Patriot system immediately due to "quite obvious" reasons. It didn't elaborate.
The report comes after a denial from the force's spokesperson Yurii Ihnat on May 5, who said that ballistic missiles were not shot down or even detected over Kyiv's airspace on May 4.
The question to Ihnat was in response to the publication Defense Express's report on May 5 that a Kh-47 Kinzhal ballistic missile could have been successfully shot down by Ukrainian air defense overnight on May 4.
Ukraine received U.S. Patriot air defense systems at the end of April, which are viewed as one of the world's best air defense systems, and enable Ukraine to shoot down ballistic missiles.
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Posted on 5/6/23 at 5:34 am to cypher
This is a huge event for the US military -- one of the biggest developments of the war in terms of its impact on the US armed forces.
The Kinzhal had been termed a "carrier killer," because it was believed by some to be impossible to shoot down.
Putin in 2018:
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"One speed of sound is one Mach, from one to five—supersonic, from five or more—hypersonic. Possession of such a weapon, of course, gives serious advantages in the field of armed struggle," Putin said. "Its power, power, as military experts say, can be enormous, and speed makes it invulnerable to today's missile defense and air defense systems, since anti-missiles, in simple terms, simply cannot catch up with them.
"In this regard, it is understandable why the world's leading armies strive to have such an ideal weapon for today. Russia has such weapons. They already have them," he said.
This morning, it would seem that US aircraft carriers are not necessarily obsolete floating coffins in a peer conflict, as some have alleged.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 5:40 am to GOP_Tiger
Washington Post article indicates the conflict between the Russian MoD and Prigozhin is not just theater.
Leaked U.S. files show deep rift between Russian military and Wagner chief
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Leaked U.S. files show deep rift between Russian military and Wagner chief
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Previously unreported U.S. intelligence documents allegedly leaked by National Guard airman Jack Teixeira on the Discord platform indicate that the military leadership struggled to respond to Prigozhin, and the outspoken Wagner chief appealed personally to President Vladimir Putin to intervene.
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Prigozhin made similar accusations in February, voicing complaints about a shortage of ammunition in interviews with pro-war military bloggers on Telegram and then posting a photo of what he said was a pile of dead mercenaries and blaming army chiefs for inadequate supplies.
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The leaked documents indicate that Russia’s military leadership was frustrated by Prigozhin’s bitter public attacks, and debated how to quash his criticism.
Defense Ministry officials considered launching a public campaign to discredit Prigozhin through a proxy, according to the documents.
“The officials initially noted that, if the MoD was going to try to counter Prigozhin’s public statements, they should find allies of equal status to fight Prigozhin rather than doing so itself,” stated one document, labeled top secret. “However, they were ultimately unsure how the MoD could successfully fight an information war with Prigozhin if the Russian government did not forbid Prigozhin from making public releases.”
The document indicated the information was based on a “signals intelligence report,” meaning it was acquired by intercepting or eavesdropping on communications.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:14 am to GOP_Tiger
I thought this thread was about to hit 3000 pages yesterday?
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:59 am to GOP_Tiger
LINK
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Prigozhin said that the issue with ammunition has not changed in the last 24 hours.
“Today, as of 12:00 no one from the Ministry of Defense contacted Wagner PMC representatives, did not supply shells, our applications were not considered and not fulfilled. We will carry out assigned tasks until the end of the day on May 9."
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Prigozhin also made a statement regarding the transfer of positions to Kaydrov's Akhmat troops.
“I thank Ramzan Akhmatovich for agreeing, having, most likely, the opportunity to obtain everything necessary and all the necessary resources, to take our positions in Bakhmut. I am already contacting his representatives in order to start transferring positions immediately on May 10, at 00.00 so they can continue the assault on Bakhmut."
Posted on 5/6/23 at 8:04 am to GOP_Tiger
Prigozhin has too much pride in his disaster at Bahkut, he won't leave. There will most likely be a nominal amount of ammo transferred to him in the next few days and he can claim some type of victory over the Russian supply chain.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 9:31 am to GOP_Tiger
I’ll be shocked if he takes Wagner out of there. You’d think Putin would give him all the ammunition he needed so maybe he could have a victory for his big parade next week if you could even call that a victory But there’s no chance Ukraine is giving that ground before the 9th.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 9:44 am to LSUPilot07
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You’d think Putin would give him all the ammunition he needed so maybe he could have a victory for his big parade next week if you could even call that a victory But there’s no chance Ukraine is giving that ground before the 9th.
Not to mention I’m not sure Putin has any surplus ammunition to give at this point. Both sides seem to be running on fumes.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 10:06 am to TigersSEC2010
I’ll never believe Russia is out of artillery shells. Somewhere there’s a Siberian hell warehouse packed full of 50 year old shells. I wouldn’t want to be the unlucky artillery crews that have to use them but Russia has more artillery than pretty much all of earth combined. They might be running low but they still have a lot.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 10:28 am to LSUPilot07
I’m very skeptical about the entire thing with Prigozhin. There is nothing to gain from him or anyone else on the Russian side putting out accurate information.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 10:39 am to jeffsdad
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Prigozhin has too much pride in his disaster at Bahkut, he won't leave. There will most likely be a nominal amount of ammo transferred to him in the next few days and he can claim some type of victory over the Russian supply chain.
The bizarre thing is that, until the end of April, it seems that Prigozhin was actually getting more than a normal share.
On April 30, the Russian command removed it's director of logistics, Colonel General Mikhail Mizintsev.
Shockingly, just a few days later, Mizintsev was officially working for Wagner. The obvious implication is that Prigozhin was bribing Mizintsev for extra ammo, and that was why Shoigu/Gerasimov relieved him of his command.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 10:41 am to LSUPilot07
The issue with Wagner PMC is that its payment has been things such as oil fields, precious metals/gems mines, etc... Was he given the salt and gypsum mines or were they handed over to Russian military?
Posted on 5/6/23 at 12:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
NY Times
It turns out that Airman Teixeira was a Politard. I can't wait to learn what his username here is. He believed in Ukrainian biolabs.
It's funny that someone with access to so much classified info believed in stupid conspiracies. I assume that he simply thought that they were so secret that, somehow, his top-secret clearance wasn't good enough to know about the really secret stuff.
It turns out that Airman Teixeira was a Politard. I can't wait to learn what his username here is. He believed in Ukrainian biolabs.
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“As of now Ukraine has ordered the US biolabs it still has to destroy all of the dangerous pathogens they hold,” he wrote in March last year. “We got a comm interception from high ranking commanders stating that Russia was going to start trying to take them.”
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“Isis was an org started by turkey, israel and the US,” he wrote in July. “They needed to destabilize the middle east some how and all had enemies…how do you do that? make a terror org and fund the shite out of it.”
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The user, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the airman had discussed various ambitions, including plotting to confront protesters during the 2024 presidential campaign, hog hunting in rural New England and modifying vehicles that could be outfitted with weapons.
The user was not certain if Airman Teixeira intended to carry out any of the plans.
His messages show a clear fascination with mass shootings, and at times, he adopted the same sense of detachment that he exhibited in posts about the war in Ukraine, focusing more on gear than on the human toll of their use.
“I think analyzing mass shootings is cool. And fun,” he wrote on Sept. 5, 2022, during an exchange about similarities among shooters in Uvalde, Texas and Buffalo.
It's funny that someone with access to so much classified info believed in stupid conspiracies. I assume that he simply thought that they were so secret that, somehow, his top-secret clearance wasn't good enough to know about the really secret stuff.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 1:34 pm to GOP_Tiger
You lose credibility when you make commentary like that. I don't know one way or the other but I know I don't trust our own government. I don't trust Russia either.
Labs have been built in Ukraine. Whether it's to that extent. Who knows. Our government funded shite that led to COVID.
Damn sure don't believe the NYT.
Labs have been built in Ukraine. Whether it's to that extent. Who knows. Our government funded shite that led to COVID.
Damn sure don't believe the NYT.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 1:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
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It turns out that Airman Teixeira was a Politard.
Not shocking, those people absolutely hate America.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 1:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
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It's funny that someone with access to so much classified info believed in stupid conspiracies. I assume that he simply thought that they were so secret that, somehow, his top-secret clearance wasn't good enough to know about the really secret stuff.
I really think it says something about human nature... it seems that sometimes we just don't need any real proof to believe some things. Or maybe when confronted with something that is to large for us to process (either emotionally or intellectually) we invent a narrative that helps us to process it...
Just spit-ballin here..
Posted on 5/6/23 at 2:06 pm to HailToTheChiz
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You lose credibility when you make commentary like that.
You want to know what I couldn't care less about? Whether or not you think I'm credible.
Feel free to believe in your Ukrainian biolabs and Jewish space lasers and flat Earth and whatever else you want- that's your right.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 2:07 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Curiously specific. I will LOL when it turns out Ukraine knows the exact details of what's going on instead of this bullshite.
I am already contacting his representatives in order to start transferring positions immediately on May 10, at 00.00 so they can continue the assault on Bakhmut."
Posted on 5/6/23 at 2:12 pm to HailToTheChiz
quote:in their nazi underground salt mines
Labs have been built in Ukraine
Posted on 5/6/23 at 2:15 pm to tokenBoiler
Our news sources are pure propaganda. How does anyone really know the truth about what is going on? Lies are part of everything.
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