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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:44 pm to Centinel
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:44 pm to Centinel
quote:I am sorry but everyone knew US was withdrawing by a certain date for months, really since Trump signed the deal way before that. Any US citizen still in Afghanistan at that point has only themselves to blame. Now, US leaving its civilian allies? Well that has always been a huge black eye on how US operates. We alas are always willing to screw over those who help us.
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Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:44 pm to UASports23
[The Guardian] Ukraine’s defence minister Oleksii Reznikov has appealed directly to Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine, saying they would receive full amnesty and monetary compensation if they voluntarily laid down their weapons.
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Russian soldier!You were brought to our land to kill and die.Do not follow criminal orders.We guarantee you a full amnesty and 5 million rubles if you lay down your arms. For those who continue to behave like an occupier, there will be no mercy.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:44 pm to PassingThrough
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I am no Biden apologist, but Afghanistan cannot be laid at his feet. The moment US went in without a clear and full fleshed out exit strategy, it was always going to end that way.
Could have started by not leaving all of our operable equipment there.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:45 pm to PassingThrough
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I am no Biden apologist, but Afghanistan cannot be laid at his feet. The moment US went in without a clear and full fleshed out exit strategy, it was always going to end that way.
Ummm, yes you can. You first evacuate your citizens, then your green card holders, then your allies, then your interpreters and their families, then the equipment, and finally the troops. Instead that moron evacuated the troops first and then left everyone behind.
Plus he abandoned Bagram that had multiple runways in favor of Kabul’s which has one runway and protecting the Embassy. You can move the Embassy to the airport, but you can’t move runways. Plus the terrorist that blew up our 13 soldiers and 100+ Afghans was imprisoned at Bagram a few days before he did that. He also didn’t warn the Afghan government he was abandoning Bagram.
So yeah, it’s completely on Biden. Maybe the Taliban would have taken over regardless, but it would not have gone down the way it did. If we got the interpreters and their families out, we could still stand on the high ground that we’re a good ally to have. Now we have nothing to stand on.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:46 pm to Snafu Sam
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Had Ukraine lost any tanks or vehicles at all? Because all I’ve seen on the tv and internet are blown up Russian stuff. According to the news the only thing that the Russians have destroyed are a couple of orphanages and the largest airplane in the world sitting in a hanger somewhere.
I thought we covered this last night?
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:48 pm to UASports23
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5 million rubles
Currently valued at roughly $50,000 USD.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:48 pm to UASports23
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Disagree. That was a poor AF exit strategy.
I think the Biden Admin is not a good admin but I will say that I do think the Biden admin did a great job of releasing classified info re: Russias attack and attempt to create false flag operations.
That was masterclass. I do think it threw Russia off but I believe without him doing that we wouldn't have the global unity that we have now.
It was also a big boost to American credibility.
I agree, except I'm not sure it was really a masterclass level move considering a lot of pretty loud voices were doing all along (including some of us on this board who know Putin's playbook - which anyone can deduce from a biography or two).
But the administration deserves credit for it, which I've maintained. Unfortunately I think it was about the most they could muster on the front end, as this is not an administration set up for forceful rhetoric.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:48 pm to The Boat
[SkyNews] Moscow Stock Exchange to remain closed tomorrow
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The Moscow Stock Exchange will remain closed tomorrow as the Russian invasion of Ukraine continues.
The Bank of Russia has said it made the decision not to resume trading due to the "emerging situation".
The central bank said it will inform about future Moscow Exchange operations before 0600 GMT on Wednesday.
The rouble tumbled to a record low in extremely volatile trade today, losing a third of its value so far this year.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:50 pm to PassingThrough
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I am no Biden apologist, but Afghanistan cannot be laid at his feet.
Yes, yes it can. The man ignored intelligence and the advice that was given to him. He implemented a terrible plan, after being advised not to, and then doubled and tripled down on it. His Administration then lied to the world, and not just one lie for cover, multiple individuals in multiple positions told multiple different lies that were quickly and efficiently proven to be lies.
It was a complete and utter shitshow that lead to distrust from our allies as well as disfunction within the ranks of our intelligence agencies and the Biden Administration.
That should not be forgotten now just because we have moved on to another war in another part of the world.
ETA: That's all I will say on the Afghanistan/Kabul clusterfrick because it has no place in this thread at this time.
This post was edited on 2/28/22 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:50 pm to Pettifogger
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I agree, except I'm not sure it was really a masterclass level move considering a lot of pretty loud voices were doing all along (including some of us on this board who know Putin's playbook - which anyone can deduce from a biography or two).
Oh, absolutely. I don't think it was the Admin's decision more so than folks screaming in their ear. However, it happened on their watch and I'll give them credit for it.
One of the greatest difference between Russia and the US is that the US is able to surround themselves with great folks (typically). More so than an authoritarian figure who only wants "yes" men.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:53 pm to UASports23
Lunch break is over. Time to go slave. 
Hope those articles kept folks in the loop a bit more and brought some good items to discuss.
Hope those articles kept folks in the loop a bit more and brought some good items to discuss.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:53 pm to UASports23
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[SkyNews] Moscow Stock Exchange to remain closed tomorrow
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:54 pm to UASports23
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Lunch break is over. Time to go slave.
Be safe in the salt mines, brother.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:56 pm to GatorH8r
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For sure. I understand that angle and it is very interesting. Zooming out though question is more about bylaws of being a member of UN. There’s no structure in place to start conquering nations and not have membership challenged?
The likelihood that the next Nazi Germany is a UN member at some point in history (compared to non-UN nations) is high IMO. Has this not been considered?
Gotcha, not sure but agree with your point. Also would call into question many things in recent history, our own actions included. Following your line of thinking, this action would set a precedent for Chinese invasion of Taiwan theoretically. However, China has done a good job of getting the world to ride the fence, at best, on recognizing Taiwan’s independence. It is interesting.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:56 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Be safe in the salt mines, brother.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:57 pm to deltaland
I was thinking the same thing..
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:58 pm to The Boat
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Could have started by not leaving all of our operable equipment there.
But then how could the military-industrial complex make even more money by needing to replace it AND sell parts to Taliban to repair it?
I do see the point about Bagram. However, I have no doubt they would have tried bombing the gates there too.
As for helping US rep, there is only one MO that US has maintained since WWII, and that is screwing over the local help when it is time to leave. And that is if the have even bothered to try to build a democracy in first place. Usually they just help set up a dictator as these are easier to deal with from a global standpoint since they can just be bought off as needed.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:59 pm to UASports23
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One of the greatest difference between Russia and the US is that the US is able to surround themselves with great folks (typically). More so than an authoritarian figure who only wants "yes" men.
Honestly I find it so interesting that a culture/government allows the Chernobyl aftermath, taking the world to the brink of nuclear war a few times without voices urging caution, going into a war like this (likely without many dissenting voices).
I'm sure it happens to some extent and the nature of the state doesn't let it out.
But it's just so foreign to the west. We do cover ups, of course, but it's just an insane cultural divide.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 12:59 pm to LegendInMyMind
They’re now claiming the Ghost of Kiev has shot down 14 planes, and I don’t buy that for a second.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 1:01 pm to PassingThrough
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I do see the point about Bagram. However, I have no doubt they would have tried bombing the gates there too.
The terrorist who bombed the gates was a prisoner at Bagram just a few days before, so no he wouldn’t have since we’d be out of the country by the time the Taliban took back Bagram and freed him.
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