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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
Only a fool would want peace right now.
This is our last chance to preserve our status before China overtakes us.
We must pull out all the stops if we are to crush China once and for all.
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Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:21 am to Pettifogger
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Uh, my response is to someone demanding me/others leave the thread.
I never demanded anything. That's putting words in my mouth.
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I'm explaining why the justification for that demand is dishonest and histrionics. I'm hardly even engaging with anyone and I've certainly never trolled this thread.
But the ones that do troll were the impetus for Chicken to keep the political discussion out of here in the first place.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:21 am to SoonerK
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You are very much confused.
Why?
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:21 am to imjustafatkid
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Yes you did. You compared them to Japan and Germany in WW2. If you don't believe they intend to invade anyone other than Ukraine, then that comparison makes no sense.
I brought up WW2 to illustrate aggressor nations can always divert attention from their real goals by inventing reasons they were forced into war. The fact you completely missed my point is an indictment of my writing ability, or your hard head. I don’t know which.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:21 am to BambiisDead
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Only a fool would want peace right now.
Are you fighting on the frontlines right this moment for Ukraine?
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:22 am to upgrayedd
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That's complete insanity.
The rantings of the perpetual Cheerleader-Warrior.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:23 am to upgrayedd
No, insanity is allowing China to seize the nine dash line.
If you wish America to become a 2nd rate power, go ahead.
Clutch your pearls and call us evil if you want, I don't care.
I have no interest in becoming a citizen of a backwater.
If you wish America to become a 2nd rate power, go ahead.
Clutch your pearls and call us evil if you want, I don't care.
I have no interest in becoming a citizen of a backwater.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The rantings of the perpetual Cheerleader-Warrior.
Brought to you by Boeing
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:23 am to upgrayedd
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You are very much confused.
Why?
The Spring offensive is going to come from Ukraine not Russia. All the NATO weapons are coming on line and you will see it launched April/May depending on weather.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:24 am to upgrayedd
Yawn.
Let me know when you stop being emotional and start using politics.
Let me know when you stop being emotional and start using politics.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:25 am to SoonerK
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The Spring offensive is going to come from Ukraine not Russia. All the NATO weapons are coming on line and you will see it launched April/May depending on weather.
Which weapons?
How long can the sustain this offensive and what are the short to medium term goals of said offensive?
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:25 am to doubleb
quote:And all you have to do is look at Putin's dissertation on why he went ahead with this "military operation" in the first place.
I brought up WW2 to illustrate aggressor nations can always divert attention from their real goals by inventing reasons they were forced into war.
His whole manifesto invented reasoning to invade and was a complete diversion.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 10:28 am
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:27 am to upgrayedd
No one can say for certain right now, it's all speculation.
You can mention Crimea but the Ukrainians have been masters of Maskirovka to this point.
I cannot say for certain where they will attack, they have frequently surprised us.
You can mention Crimea but the Ukrainians have been masters of Maskirovka to this point.
I cannot say for certain where they will attack, they have frequently surprised us.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:27 am to imjustafatkid
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Did he?
Yes. He'll everyone pretty much thought Ukraine would topple in days against Russia. Even the US agencies thought this and have stated so. It was rather a pleasant surprise that it didn't happen.
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Why are you under the impression that Russia wanted anything more than Ukraine?
Georgia, Transnistria, etc. Would lead one to that conclusion
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In 2005, Putin declared to his country "It is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century. As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory."
LINK
He's been saying it for years that Russia needs to get its citizens back.
Now that's not saying if Ukriane had fallen the next day they would have invaded the Baltics or something like that. Just that overtime they would repeat the same invasion philosophy to restore the old empire.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:29 am to upgrayedd
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From the reports I've heard, Ukraine can't hang on very much longer strictly from a logistical standpoint. The amount of men Ukraine is losing as well as their supply consumption per month is extremely favorable to Russia. Sounds like the anticipated Russian spring offensive is going to be the tipping point
You could very well be correct. The thing is Ukraine might beat them to the punch with their own offensive. I’m optimistic that with the Western help they are receiving they can.
But I can certainly see your vision of the future happening. I wouldn’t like it, but it’s certainly possible.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:34 am to doubleb
While obviously suffering lare casualties, its really hard to grind and industrial society into dust when its mobilized for war. I have no doubt Ukraine has lost a lot of men. I do think it will take longer than one year though before we start worrying if their society is going to tap out
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:35 am to doubleb
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You could very well be correct. The thing is Ukraine might beat them to the punch with their own offensive. I’m optimistic that with the Western help they are receiving they can.
But I can certainly see your vision of the future happening. I wouldn’t like it, but it’s certainly possible.
I'm just curious as to how long Ukraine can sustain itself with personnel and supplies. NATO is exhausting their stockpiles and doesn't appear to be transitioning into wartime production. Hell, the Bundeswehr can't properly equip their own men right now. Those supplies will dwindle even further with a sustained offensive as will Ukraine's supply of soldiers. I'm also curious as to what is considered a victory at the end of a Ukrainian offensive.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 10:36 am
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:37 am to upgrayedd
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NATO is exhausting their stockpiles and doesn't appear to be transitioning into wartime production
This supports my argument.
NATO wants to support Ukraine enough to prevent Russian victory, but not enough to enable Ukranian victory, at least not yet.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:37 am to upgrayedd
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We have zero interest in ending this war and I think the EU countries are growing tired of it. If China comes in and puts a stop to it, America's influence takes a massive hit.
Only Russia can stop the war. China can’t.
Now China can come and be the broker here, they could give Putin an exit, but they can’t stop the war.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What would we do if China sets up a defense treaty with... Cuba?
Ummmm
China, Cuba Seek Economic and Defense Cooperation in 2015
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China and Cuba have also been making strides on the military front. General Fan Changlong, the vice chairman of the Central Military Commission (and China’s highest-ranking military official) also stopped by Cuba in June. Like Wang, he made the trip after attending meetings in the United States. Fan met with Raul Castro, who told him that “China is Cuba’s firm and reliable friend.” Fan also met with Fidel Castro and General Leopoldo Cintra Frias, Cuba’s defense minister.The two sides promised to increase their military cooperation.
Cuba also looks to China to help keep up its military equipment, which largely consists on remaining Soviet-era technology. In May, Colombian authorities accused a Chinese vessel of carrying illegal arms to Cuba; China’s Foreign Ministry called the arms shipment “completely normal military trade cooperation.”
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