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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:59 am to upgrayedd
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:59 am to upgrayedd
quote:No I sort of get what you're saying, but IMO, no current country (outside of dictatorships & such) is looking at what's going on in the world, and also seeing the real time actions of how this war is taking place and then saying to themselves, "You know, China wants peace, and those USA guys are complete assholes. I'm siding with China from now on"
No, the hit comes from China actually demonstrating a willingness to bring peace. We've been tear-assing all over the globe for the last several decades under the guise of "bringing peace" yet all we've been doing is intentionally prolonging this war. China looks like the peace proponent in that scenario, not us.
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Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:01 am to Palantir
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You know, China wants peace, and those USA guys are complete assholes. I'm siding with China from now on"
Agreed, the only people saying this are those interested in the US demise in the first place, and their opinion is worthless.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:04 am to Palantir
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No I sort of get what you're saying, but IMO, no current country (outside of dictatorships & such) is looking at what's going on in the world, and also seeing the real time actions of how this war is taking place and then saying to themselves, "You know, China wants peace, and those USA guys are complete assholes. I'm siding with China from now on"
The third world countries that future proxy wars will be fought in are 100% going to look at the situation and say that. That's a fact.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:06 am to upgrayedd
I have no interest in the love and affection of the third world.
I am interested in reliable, loyal customers whom I know will support our interests for now and the future.
I am interested in reliable, loyal customers whom I know will support our interests for now and the future.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:07 am to BambiisDead
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I have no interest in the love and affection of the third world.
I am interested in reliable, loyal customers whom I know will support our interests for now and the future.
That's because you're not very bright.
Oh, and you upvote your own posts
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:08 am to upgrayedd
The third world can think what it will. They will buy from us if they have no other choice anyway.
The Pentagon is doing everything in its power to make that happen.
The Pentagon is doing everything in its power to make that happen.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:08 am to imjustafatkid
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Make no mistake, we are the reason we are involved in Ukraine. No one else forced us to be there. Russia did not invade Ukraine with the goal of engaging the USA.
"We" are involved only as far as giving aid and weapons to Ukraine. Just as we would have done for any other country we are allied with. "We" haven't put a single boot on the ground, had our arty boys fire a single shell, or made any pilots fly over the airspace.
The moment "we" do, or start gearing up to do any of that, is the moment I will share any level of concern like some do.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:08 am to upgrayedd
quote:That's not a fact, but fair enough. 3rd world countries can side with China all they want. That will, in the very least, stop us from waging future proxy wars so...win win?
The third world countries that future proxy wars will be fought in are 100% going to look at the situation and say that. That's a fact.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:14 am to Palantir
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That's not a fact, but fair enough. 3rd world countries can side with China all they want. That will, in the very least, stop us from waging future proxy wars so...win win?
That's not going to stop anything. We waged proxy wars with Soviet-sided countries for decades.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:16 am to upgrayedd
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We waged proxy wars with Soviet-sided countries for decades.
As well we should, as any sensible power would.
In global politics, you either compete or become prey or subservient to another power.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:17 am to BambiisDead
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As well we should, as any sensible power would.
In global politics, you either compete or become prey or subservient to another power.
Yeah, we got your shtick, Dr Strangelove
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:18 am to GOP_Tiger
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If the Ukrainians hold their recent gains, the battles of the last month at Bakhmut could prove a turning point in Ukraine’s defense against Russia
What gains?
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:18 am to upgrayedd
quote:I believe it was you who said all the 3rd world countries would 100% side with China and stated it as a fact...so which is it?
That's not going to stop anything. We waged proxy wars with Soviet-sided countries for decades.
Either these 3rd world countries will 100% side with China and it would 100% stop us from waging proxy wars, or it won't.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:18 am to upgrayedd
Welcome to basic global politics.
Perhaps you should put aside your emotions and ideology to understand the nature of the world.
Perhaps you should put aside your emotions and ideology to understand the nature of the world.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:19 am to TexasForever
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TexasForever
Kherson, I believe.
Bakhmut has been an utter disaster for the Russians, whom still have not taken the city and must soon abandon all their gains when the spring counter attack begins.
What a waste of time for Russia.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:40 am to TexasForever
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What gains?
You are correct that in the city the Russians have moved forward a couple of city blocks. But in the areas around the city, where the Russians were trying to encircle the city and trap the Ukrainian defenders, Ukraine has pushed back significantly. It's no win for Russia to have to fight block by block through what is left of the city. That is the worst case for the Russians, who have to continuously move forward into defensive fire.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:56 am to Palantir
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I believe it was you who said all the 3rd world countries would 100% side with China and stated it as a fact...so which is it?
Either these 3rd world countries will 100% side with China and it would 100% stop us from waging proxy wars, or it won't.
I mean...they kind of are...
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:56 am to TexasForever
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What gains?
In the Battle of Bakhmut, Ukraine has been hampered for a couple of months now by Russian shelling of both the 0504 south road into the city (the main road) and the 0506 north road. In recent weeks, Ukraine has pushed Russia back from their positions near both roads (although the Russians continue to fight near the 0506). But having the main road completely clear in and out of the city, with strong positions to prevent Russia from threatening that road, is a huge plus for the Ukrainian defenders in the city.
Many people, including myself, were concerned for a long time that Ukraine's forces inside the city could be cut off, and the city would be surrounded. That's no longer a significant risk.
But, yes, as the article states, Russia is still slowly advancing inside the city itself.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 12:20 pm to imjustafatkid
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Ukraine has never had a chance in this conflict without a global war, and still does not.
I disagree with you on this.
Ukraine does have a chance without global war breaking out. IF (and that is a big if) Ukraine can launch a successful spring/summer offensive and push Russia back, then they have a serious chance to win. If their offensive fails to achieve this, then they will have to reach a settlement with Russia. Neither of these outcomes requires a global war.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 12:24 pm to imjustafatkid
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Russia's armed forces have been exposed, and no longer have the capability for serious offensives.
This is complete nonsense.
I would truly like to understand your basis for saying this is nonsense. What are you basing your statement on?
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