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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:10 am to imjustafatkid
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:10 am to imjustafatkid
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Ukraine has never had a chance in this conflict without a global war, and still does not.
I didn’t think they had a snowball’s chance in hell, but 13 months later they are holding on, and have even retaken large areas they had lost.
There will be a point in time when one or both nations will decide is it worth it? They may surrender, they may retreat, or they may cut a deal.
You say Ukraine never had a chance. 13 months ago I would have agreed with you, but now I really don’t know.
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Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:10 am to REG861
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Lol. Show us all the progress russia has made on a map in the last year. They’re progressing a few miles every month at the expense of thousands of soldiers. No one is afraid of Russia anymore.
From the reports I've heard, Ukraine can't hang on very much longer strictly from a logistical standpoint. The amount of men Ukraine is losing as well as their supply consumption per month is extremely favorable to Russia. Sounds like the anticipated Russian spring offensive is going to be the tipping point
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:11 am to upgrayedd
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From the reports I've heard, Ukraine can't hang on very much longer strictly from a logistical standpoint. The amount of men Ukraine is losing as well as their supply consumption per month is extremely favorable to Russia. Sounds like the anticipated Russian spring offensive is going to be the tipping point
you're a bad man
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:13 am to Pettifogger
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none of us will stick too long over here because, due to sheer numbers, it's suffocating for anyone who questions the prevailing consensus. So I don't think you have to worry too much about this derailing your thread.
You keep repeating that, but you overlook those of us who have debated the issue with you in a respectful manner.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:13 am to imjustafatkid
Russia is a Chinese ally, and the deepening of ties between the two was inevitable because the US is not interested in being friends with Russia.
By getting Russia involved in a long, bloody and expensive conflict, you weaken China by proxy.
Now China has to spend resources and time propping up a rotten Russian state while not getting anything new in return.
Meanwhile, this removes the possibility of Russian military intervention in the South China Sea from the board.
By getting Russia involved in a long, bloody and expensive conflict, you weaken China by proxy.
Now China has to spend resources and time propping up a rotten Russian state while not getting anything new in return.
Meanwhile, this removes the possibility of Russian military intervention in the South China Sea from the board.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:14 am to Pettifogger
Burning more artillery shells per month than you receive is a pretty easy equation to solve in an artillery-driven war.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:14 am to imjustafatkid
quote:Yes we are.
No we aren't. All we're doing is sending money we don't have to a conflict we shouldn't be involved in.
Again, just because you don't agree with the method of sending money to the poorest nation in Europe to keep Russia at bay while killing thousands upon thousands of their soldiers and an overwhelming destruction of their military assets, does NOT mean it's the wrong way, or NOT putting USA first.
You just simply don't agree with it..
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:15 am to BambiisDead
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Russia is a Chinese ally
Now. Not before.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What would we do if China sets up a defense treaty with Mexico, Canada and Cuba?
of course we would draw a line in the sand.... but we would not attack those countries with the goal of occupation and incorporation in to the US.
but the premise of Mexico or Canada seeking a defensive alliance because they fear that the US wants to invade incorrect. Ukraine wants a defensive alliance to protect themselves for an obvious aggressive neighbor. now Sweeden and Finland want the same as they no longer feels safe for russia......
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:16 am to REG861
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Well according to you and Rogers logic, in that scenario, we would be justified in invading Mexico. Glad we could answer that for you.
We drafted an entire doctrine based on the premise. We want to invade them now, over Cartel shite.
You can bet your arse we would "cuban missile crisis them with the quickness
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:16 am to BambiisDead
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Russia is a Chinese ally, and the deepening of ties between the two was inevitable because the US is not interested in being friends with Russia.
By getting Russia involved in a long, bloody and expensive conflict, you weaken China by proxy.
Now China has to spend resources and time propping up a rotten Russian state while not getting anything new in return.
Meanwhile, this removes the possibility of Russian military intervention in the South China Sea from the board.
This also assumes a Ukrainian victory. What happens if Ukraine loses and/or agrees to a Chinese-brokered peace deal?
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:16 am to Palantir
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Again, just because you don't agree with the method of sending money to the poorest nation in Europe to keep Russia at bay while killing thousands upon thousands of their soldiers and an overwhelming destruction of their military assets, does NOT mean it's the wrong way, or NOT putting USA first.
It isn't putting the USA first, sorry. The only thing it does is use money we don't have. At best this helps European nations. At worst it only helps Ukraine.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:16 am to imjustafatkid
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They factored in the resolve of the west and figured the US would complain but not actually do anything.
And they've been right. We haven't done anything. All we've done is spend money.
On one hand people say we haven’t done anything and then other opponents say without our help Ukraine would have been toast. So which is it?
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In reality, what is happening is China is about to broker peace between Ukraine and Russia while we take a step down on the world stage. But at least we sent a bunch of money and weapons to Ukraine, right?
I have no problem if China brokers a deal and the war ends tomorrow. Who cares if China gets credit. Not me.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:17 am to imjustafatkid
Wrong, Russia and China have deep historical and cultural ties.
The sino-soviet split was largely caused by the hot head Mao.
The Russians have always viewed us with antagonism due to the collapse of the USSR.
The sino-soviet split was largely caused by the hot head Mao.
The Russians have always viewed us with antagonism due to the collapse of the USSR.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:18 am to doubleb
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I have no problem if China brokers a deal and the war ends tomorrow. Who cares if China gets credit. Not me.
Its against our poicy, which is to push this war as far as possible.
We don't want peace.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:19 am to doubleb
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You keep repeating that, but you overlook those of us who have debated the issue with you in a respectful manner.
I'm not and I appreciate it. I don't need to reinforce that point except in response to folks explaining why we don't belong here. And that doesn't seem to be an issue at the moment.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:19 am to upgrayedd
This doesn't assume a Ukranian victory at all, merely that the war goes on.
The US has no interest in Ukraine winning this year. That would defeat the entire purpose of our involvement.
This war cannot be allowed to end until the 2nd Pacific War has been fought to its conclusion.
The US has no interest in Ukraine winning this year. That would defeat the entire purpose of our involvement.
This war cannot be allowed to end until the 2nd Pacific War has been fought to its conclusion.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its against our poicy, which is to push this war as far as possible.
We don't want peace.
Exactly.
We have zero interest in ending this war and I think the EU countries are growing tired of it. If China comes in and puts a stop to it, America's influence takes a massive hit.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:20 am to upgrayedd
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Russian spring offensive is going to be the tipping point
You are very much confused.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:20 am to BambiisDead
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This doesn't assume a Ukranian victory at all, merely that the war goes on.
The US has no interest in Ukraine winning this year. That would defeat the entire purpose of our involvement.
This war cannot be allowed to end until the 2nd Pacific War has been fought to its conclusion.
That's complete insanity.
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