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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/22/23 at 3:29 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 1/22/23 at 3:29 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I’m not buying it. Both Ukraine and Russia are probably about even at 100K.
You really think that Russia has 8818 documented heavy equipment losses to 2846 for Ukraine, and the troop losses are equal?
While Russia uses "human wave" infantry attacks with Wagner prisoners?
Dude. I don't even know what to say.
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Posted on 1/22/23 at 3:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
German poll: should Germany send Leopard tanks to Ukraine. "Yes" leads, but only by 3%. There are clearly a lot of Germans uneasy with sending the Leopards.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 3:42 pm to Lakeboy7
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Russian mil: 180 000 KIA/WIA
Would be helpful to have a breakdown of WIA permanently disabled vs fit to return to duty.
Also, the traditional ratio of KIA vs WIA may not apply given Russia's primitive standard of medical care. Just making it off the battlefield doesn't insure survival.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 3:43 pm to Jim Rockford
It doesn't appear that Russia has prioritized the evacuation of the wounded. The KIA could easily be higher than the standard formula would indicate.
That has to help morale!
That has to help morale!
Posted on 1/22/23 at 3:46 pm to Jim Rockford
PARIS, Jan 22 (Reuters) - Germany's foreign minister said on Sunday her government would not stand in the way if Poland wants to send its Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, in a possible breakthrough for Kyiv which wants the tanks for its fight against Russia's invasion.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 4:05 pm to GOP_Tiger
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troop losses are equal?
I think the only time this may have been true was when Russia was shelling like crazy in order to take Lysychansk/Sievierodonetsk. Fortunately they no longer have that capability.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 4:37 pm to LSUPilot07
With a desert paint job, likely headed to Ukraine where they will be decorated for battlefield there
Posted on 1/22/23 at 5:24 pm to LSUPilot07
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This is a beautiful site. Bradleys arriving in Poland along with a few heavy recovery vehicles. First order of business needs to be a new paint job. Now if they just had western tanks to go with them…….
Don't get too excited.
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Not every military vehicle on a train is going to Ukraine.
The Bradleys are likely part of the U.S. Army’s 2nd Armored Brigade Combat Team, 1st Calvary Division that are rotating into Poland as part of Operation Atlantic Resolve.
These are not the Bradleys that will be given to Ukraine. These are the Bradleys that will be manned by Americans trying to hold the Polish military from invading Belarus and taking Russia in the flank as payback for sending all those refugees across its border.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 5:29 pm to CitizenK
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Ru T-72B3 providing direct fire - but interestingly, Cmdr’s cupola (indicated by IR searchlight bottom right) doesn’t move in the entire video (full vid is 4 minutes long), never to correct fire, scan the area, anything. Cmdr does have a view of the Sosna-U sight, but it’s fixed
That video might explain why the Ukrainians have been so successful with their ATGMs. Either the commander's sight on Russian tanks is fixed or the Russians do not train their tank commanders to scan the area around their tanks when they are buttoned up.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 5:30 pm to WeeWee
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You said that you believed that both sides casualties were in the ballpark of 100,000. The Norwegian estimate for the Ukrainian casualties is around 100,000. The difference between your estimates and the Norwegian estimates are in the estimated Russian casualties. So how does Ukraine not reporting its casualties make you skeptical of the Norwegian estimate of the Russian casualties?
Sorry, I meant to say they’re both probably around 120-140K.
The Ukrainian army is getting chewed up too. If they weren’t then this wouldn’t be at a stalemate. But the topic of Ukrainian losses is verboten here.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 5:37 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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The Ukrainian army is getting chewed up too. If they weren’t then this wouldn’t be at a stalemate. But the topic of Ukrainian losses is verboten here.
Wrong.
Quit trying to drum up controversy. Nobody is preventing you from putting forward your opinion.
Btw, you would sound more knowledgeable and informed if you stopped changing things up,
100K? Now 120-140 K.
Sorry, but you don’t seem to know what you are talking about; you seem to be trolling wanting to be the outlier stirring things up.
If you don’t have any facts to dispute what the Norwegians put forward it’s best not to post at all.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 5:46 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Sorry, I meant to say they’re both probably around 120-140K.
Now you are just be contrary.
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The Ukrainian army is getting chewed up too.
I never said they weren't. They are sustaining losses but they are not sustaining them at the rate that the Russians are sustaining them. I am in regular communication with some doctors in the Ukrainian army and according to them Russia was sustaining around 4x the killed and wounded that Ukraine was. That was prior to the fighting in Bakhmut where Russia is suffering more casualties but so is Ukraine and the casualty rate has decreased to 2.5 to 1 or 3 to 1.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 5:51 pm to doubleb
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The Russians are being prepared for the fact that Russia can return all the occupied territories.
Propagandists say that the loss of territories will not mean the loss of Russia.
Hey BrianKellyFambly. If Ukraine's armed forces are on the point of collapse, then why is Russia's main propaganda tv show discussing withdrawing from and giving the "annexed" (which were illegitimately annexed BTW) giving them back to Ukraine?
Posted on 1/22/23 at 5:53 pm to WeeWee
Look man, I was sitting on a plane waiting takeoff when I made that post. It was a typo. I’ve been around long enough that you know I’ll admit if I’m wrong or made a mistake. I don’t think I’m wrong here. I have some contacts in Ukraine as well and they’re tell me it’s a stalemate and a meat grinder for both sides.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 5:57 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I have some contacts in Ukraine as well and they’re tell me it’s a stalemate and a meat grinder for both sides.
That is true. Tanks are going to be confined to the few paved roads until late April or early May. It's going to be WW1 style trench warfare until then.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 6:07 pm to WeeWee
Until it dries out or freezes over (more likey to need to dry out at this point) it will be small squad, artillery, drones a 2-3 armored vehicles for support.
Not a Mobile warfare game at the moment.
It is trench watergate but unlike WWI the number of troops is much smaller so the density of troops on the line is smaller.
Not a Mobile warfare game at the moment.
It is trench watergate but unlike WWI the number of troops is much smaller so the density of troops on the line is smaller.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 6:16 pm to Jim Rockford
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Would be helpful to have a breakdown of WIA permanently disabled vs fit to return to duty.
Tough to get that specificity. Heat signature, wounded. No heat signature, dead.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 6:30 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I have some contacts in Ukraine as well and they’re tell me it’s a stalemate and a meat grinder for both sides.
No one is saying it’s not a meat grinder right now, but why make up numbers of casualties?
You don’t know any more than I know.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 6:51 pm to doubleb
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No one is saying it’s not a meat grinder right now, but why make up numbers of casualties?
You don’t know any more than I know.
I’ve always thought the casualty numbers on both sides are skewed. I see no reasonwhy that wouldve changed
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