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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:53 am to
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:53 am to
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Are they fortified positions with extensive field worlds and minefields, echeloned in depth, and manned by trained trained solders with proper armor, artillery, and air defenses?



Highly doubtful since Russia has not figured out how to use artillery and air defense systems in a coordinated manner to protect a line.

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Or did they dig some trenches and throw in a mob of untrained conscripts armed with 60 year old AK-47s backed up with even older T-62s and little to no artillery support?



That is most likely since that is what they have done through most of the war. Plus the fortifications were constructed in a contested area in a rushed manner since the Ukrainians didn't really start gaining ground until last week.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:00 am to
Wall Street Journal today on Kreminna: LINK

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KYIV, Ukraine—Ukrainian authorities said their army was closing in on the Russian-occupied city of Kreminna, control of which could allow Kyiv to significantly expand its efforts to retake Russian-held areas in Ukraine’s east.

Kreminna, a city in the eastern Luhansk region with a prewar population of 18,000, is being abandoned by Russia’s military command as Ukrainian troops advance through the mined and heavily fortified area surrounding it, said Serhiy Haidai, the governor of Luhansk.

“When we de-occupy Kreminna, it will be the turn of other Luhansk cities,” Mr. Haidai said in a televised interview Wednesday. His description of the situation around Kreminna couldn’t be independently verified.
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The capture of Kreminna would give Ukraine access to major roads leading to the city of Rubizhne and the nearby industrial center of Severodonetsk, both heavily damaged in fighting over the summer, as well as to the town of Starobilsk.

Many of the Russian units attacking the city of Bakhmut to the south are advancing from Rubizhne and Severodonetsk, Mr. Haidai said, meaning that securing Kreminna and launching offensives on those cities could allow Ukraine to disrupt Russia’s onslaught against Bakhmut, aiding its embattled Ukrainian defenders.
Starobilsk, on the other hand, overlooks key roads across the region, Mr. Haidai said. “Whoever controls Starobilsk can essentially control with firepower the entire logistics of Luhansk region,” he said. “There’ll be almost no road left along which the enemy can calmly transfer either equipment or manpower.”
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Russian government officials haven’t commented on Ukrainian claims about Kreminna.

Andrei Marochko, a Russian-installed military official in occupied Luhansk, told Russian state media on Wednesday that Ukraine could launch an assault on Kreminna from three directions at once. He said wet winter conditions are unlikely to slow its advance since the ground near Kreminna is solid and the surrounding forested areas would help it conceal forces and equipment involved in attacks.

Ukraine’s upbeat comments conflict with statements made this week by Russian military bloggers, who usually give assessments of the fighting that are more candid than those emanating from Moscow, and who have dismissed recent statements by Mr. Haidai and other Ukrainian officials as part of a psychological operations campaign.
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:08 am to
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any estimates these days on the total number of children taken from their same-sex adoptive parents by these a-holes



0

Same-sex marriage is illegal in Ukraine and only legally married Ukrainians can adopt children. So there were 0 children taken from same-sex parents in Ukraine. However, there have been thousands of children taken from their married heterosexual parents in eastern Ukraine.
Posted by AGGIES
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:33 am to
Sounds like Kreminna is the better objective, from a strategy perspective. Also considering it’s disruptive impact on Russia’s Bakhmut offensive.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:41 am to
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Sounds like Kreminna is the better objective, from a strategy perspective. Also considering it’s disruptive impact on Russia’s Bakhmut offensive.



Kremmina is the more important objective. If the Ukrainian advance falters and Russia counter attacks then Lyman is vulnerable. If Lyman falls back into Russian hands it opens up more avenues for Russia to advance into the Donbas. If Kremmina falls to Ukraine then the options for Russia to counter attack are limited.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:17 am to
Another signal that peace talks at this point are worthless.


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MOSCOW, Dec 28 (Reuters) - The Kremlin on Wednesday dismissed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's 10-point peace plan, saying that proposals to end the conflict in Ukraine must take into account what it calls "today's realities" of four Ukrainian regions having joined Russia.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: "There can be no peace plan for Ukraine that does not take into account today's realities regarding Russian territory, with the entry of four regions into Russia. Plans that do not take these realities into account cannot be peaceful."

Russia declared Ukraine's Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions as part of its territory in September after referendums condemned by Ukraine and Western countries. Russia does not fully control any of the four regions.




Reuters
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:27 am to
Sounds like Russia isn’t taking into account “today’s realities”
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:29 am to
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However, there have been thousands of children taken from their married heterosexual parents in eastern Ukraine.


speaking of which, anyone know what happened with the poster who's family was living in eastern ukraine? i know his wife and i beleive daughter got here, but what about in-laws(i believe they were doctors) and step son etc? has he posted any updates?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:32 am to
Again, one point of it is so that the US and NATO can say, "See, Ukraine has a peace plan -- it wants peace."

But the other point of it is to shift the window. Right now, most discussions start with whether or not Ukraine would let Russia keep Crimea, or whether a special semi-independent status would work for the Donbas.

With Zelensky's peace plan, though, what happens when Macron or Scholz talk to Putin can go something more like this:

"Well, Vlad, we can definitely help with an IMF loan to help you with the victims' compensation fund, and the UN has several agencies that can assist with environmental restoration, so we can help you with your obligations there, so all you have to do is withdraw your troops and there can be peace."

By fully detailing what a just and fair peace deal looks like, Ukraine can help reshape the dialogue. It's a "diplomatic offensive."
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:36 am to
From Wartranslated: LINK

Russian volunteer Topaz posted a text describing the serious shell hunger in the Russian forces and made a conclusion that the situation is becoming critical if measures are not taken to cope with the lack of shells.


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You know that I try to refrain from loud predictions and insiders, especially negative ones. This is due to the fact that during the war, information is often more destructive than thousands of mines and shells. I especially prefer silence during informational hunger, it is better to post a couple of funny texts than to suck “insiders” and “forecasts” out of your finger. But now I consider it my duty to shed light on the real situation in the SMO zone. So, in summary:


• The Russian army is experiencing a serious shortage of ammunition against the backdrop of active supplies of ammunition to our enemy, this problem is turning from serious to critical. If nothing changes, in the near future the enemy will begin to gain artillery dominance at the frontline.

To understand the depth of the problem, it is necessary to realise the fact that absolutely all the successes of our army, both offensive and defensive, are the result of the superiority of our artillery. There are several options for the development of events, in my opinion:

1. Our side is negotiating the supply of ammunition with one of the few allied countries.

2. We are trying to freeze the conflict on the most shameful terms in order to have time to build up production capacity that will cover the deficit.

3. We decide on a risky, absolutely adventurous tank breakthrough aimed at ensuring that most of the troops can gain a foothold in settlements, and not stand in the open steppe under mines and shells.


•Mobilisation has completely failed. It should be understood that the vast majority – 70-80% of the mobilised military personnel turned out to be unfit for combat for several reasons:


1. Lack of quality military training. Here I don’t see the point in ranting, I can only say that if yesterday’s cashier from the grocery store is driven around in a tank at the training ground for 2 weeks, then he obviously won’t become a good tankman.

2. The lack of ideological motivation of the mobilised due to the lack of clear goals of the SMO, which should be broadcast by the authorities and the media.

Yesterday’s factory worker has no idea what denazification and demilitarization of brotherly Ukraine is (I don’t quite understand either). Obviously, these magical and abstract expressions are not the reason why a hard worker will go to war for the denazification of brotherly Ukraine with a smile on his face and the blessing of his wife.

3. As a result of the previous paragraph, there is a large-scale intentional and unintentional sabotage of hostilities by the mobilised. For example, men learned to play “radio games”, that is, to simulate the performance of a combat mission on the radio while sitting in a comfortable and safe dugout. With all the resulting victorious exclamations and panicked cries. I’m not even talking about the rampant drunkenness and the complete absence of at least some security measures of countering the enemy’s sabotage activity.

4. After the previous paragraph, a logical question arises – where are the senior comrades, hardened by experience and disciplined, who should restore order and counteract sabotage in the ranks of the mobilised? They are not there, they are fighting in other positions, because some fabulous idiot decided to staff separate, very responsible and important areas only with the mobilised. As a result, we get hundreds dead and wounded in the battle for a pigsty occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which has no value. And when the mobilised begin to gain the upper hand, the enemy will calmly and orderly retreat covered by an artillery wall, which is becoming easier and easier to implement (see the beginning of the text), and then they will shell the newly occupied positions with HIMARS.

I still have a lot to say about idiots and traitors who will forever burn in hell for every drop of the spilled blood of a Russian soldier, but I think that this is enough to understand the big picture.



What to do? Do not lose faith, unity, and honor. Fight to the end, because the Russian people and our homes are behind us.

We will definitely withstand it.

Glory to Russia!
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 10:38 am
Posted by notiger1997
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:45 am to
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USMEagles


You upset that you can’t get in on that action?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:49 am to
I predict that by this time next year, Russia will not be present in any of the territory they have gained since Feb 24th. It's highly likely they won't control any of the Donbas.

Crimea is a different animal, so I won't predict that.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:53 am to
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Another signal that peace talks at this point are worthless.



Both sides are posturing.

The next move will be Russia calling for a cease fire for "humanitarian reasons" or some such bullshite. Anything to stop what is coming in the Spring.

The Ukrainians wont bite.

Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12573 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:12 am to
That’s serious optimism, and I’m all for it.

So what makes you confident that Russia loses Ukrainian territory, including the 4 claimed regions? (Excluding Crimea)
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:23 am to
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Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:02 pm to
My Russians last Sunday were talking about economic breakdown. Societal breakdown-real catastrophic stuff. And bowel cancer. NYE should have great fireworks displays.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:04 pm to
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:06 pm to
Their army is severely degraded, mobilizing more troops and throwing them into the front lines won’t help, just like the recent mobilization didn’t help, it actually causes more issues. The main reason though is that without adequate artillery ammunition, they will get rolled by Ukraine. Without arty, Russia is fricked.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30639 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:38 pm to
Has this death been mentioned? In any case they are adding up.





Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12573 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 2:05 pm to
Got it. So - Russia is running low on artillery shells…
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