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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:12 pm to BananaManCan
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:12 pm to BananaManCan
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Cool. Should I keep an eye out for a Prius with a ukrainian flag hanging from the rear view mirror?
I drive a Toyota Tundra.
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:13 pm to Darth_Vader
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That’s been the norm for tank main guns for decades both in the East & West. The last rifled main gun we used was the 105mm used on the M60 and original M1.
Correct. Smooth bores allow for higher velocity, which is more important with AP rounds, vs traditional Artillery barrels that are rifled. This helps give the round spin for more accuracy and range at the cost of velocity. HE rounds dont need the velocity
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Smoothbore tank guns have a far longer life than rifled tank main guns.
tanks change their barrels evey 100-200 rounds (EFC rounds) due to accuracy fall off. Artillery barrels are changes every 1000-2000rounds (EFC)
So using a tank as an artillery piece weakens the tank from its primary role of anti-armor weapon.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:13 pm to BugAC
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You will not fool me. I know what this thread is. It's a leftist circle jerk because the liberals on here don't have the courage to defend their stances on the poli-board. They know they're policies are detrimental to freedom.
I’m not a liberal, but I avoid the PT not because I can’t defend my stances; I avoid it because actual debate on the PT isn’t possible without wading through a dozen+ room temperature IQ troglodytes on each thread doing nothing but hurling insults. There are some legitimately bright and interesting people on the PT, but it’s just not worth the annoyance at this point.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:14 pm to Darth_Vader
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So, if the Russians are attempting indirect fire with their tanks, all they’re doing is wasting tank rounds.
I don't think anyone here will question this, at least anyone that has a grasp of how direct and indirect fire is conventionally used.
I will say Russia during the entire conflict has been shown to use many "scared" tactics just firing blind. A good example was all the helos tilting up and lobbing their rockets NLOS (non line of sight) in the general direction of the enemy. The rotor heads have a name for this but I don't recall what it is. Plus if you look at the pockmarked watermelon fields all over SE Ukraine it is clear the Russians can't hit what they are firing at, are firing blind, are firing scared or some combination of the three.
I watched a video of a Russian tank firing about a dozen round into several different apartment buildings and during the entire video I didn't see or hear any return fire. While I can't be sure there just seems no way they could have been firing at identified targets or someone would have fired back. It appeared they were just breaking shite in frustration.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:22 pm to BugAC
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What is another $40 Billion in US Taxpayer dollars?
Well it’s only 2.4% of the omnibus bill. If you are trying to slow spending or reduce the deficit or even lower inflation look to the entitlements or other pork projects included in this bill.
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You don't really care where the money to sustain and prolong this war comes from, as long as the US gets involved.
The USA and the EU have frozen over 300 billion USD in bank accounts of the Russian government. This is not assets like villas or yachts which might be sold for less but cash. That cash can be used to reimburse the USA and other nations or paid to Ukraine as reparations for the war and then Ukraine can use it to pay us back when the war is over. So as long as it stays below 300 billion USD we are essentially funding this war with Russian money.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:22 pm to WeeWee
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I drive a Toyota Tundra.
Gross.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:34 pm to Joshjrn
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I’m not a liberal, but I avoid the PT not because I can’t defend my stances; I avoid it because actual debate on the PT isn’t possible without wading through a dozen+ room temperature IQ troglodytes on each thread doing nothing but hurling insults
One would think that my username would make it obvious that I am not a leftist. I actually spent ten years of my life working full time in Republican politics, including a stint as the political director of the Louisiana GOP.
I'm still very much a Reagan conservative, though there are fewer of us in the GOP, as it's largely been taken over by conspiracy cultists.
It's just hilarious to have Politards come in here and call me a lefty for opposing the country reinstalling statues of Lenin in the parts of Ukraine it occupies.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:50 pm to Joshjrn
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I’m not a liberal, but I avoid the PT not because I can’t defend my stances; I avoid it because actual debate on the PT isn’t possible without wading through a dozen+ room temperature IQ troglodytes on each thread doing nothing but hurling insults. There are some legitimately bright and interesting people on the PT, but it’s just not worth the annoyance at this point
Example: yesterday over there someone started a thread titled "George Bush Senior was the head of the CIA when Kennedy was killed." This went almost unchallenged.
How can you argue with/against people who make up facts like that?
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:52 pm to WeeWee
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Well it’s only 2.4% of the omnibus bill. If you are trying to slow spending or reduce the deficit or even lower inflation look to the entitlements or other pork projects included in this bill.
Are you assuming i'm a Democrat or something? Wreckless spending is wreckless spending. We don't excuse wasting $40 billion in Ukraine just because we are wasting $200 billion on military tranny reassignment surgery or other stupid shite.
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That cash can be used to reimburse the USA and other nations or paid to Ukraine as reparations for the war and then Ukraine can use it to pay us back when the war is over.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:54 pm to REG861
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How can you argue with/against people who make up facts like that?
I think most people ignored that thread or chimed in to question his facts. I don't know, i skipped over that thread.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:55 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I'm still very much a Reagan conservative, though there are fewer of us in the GOP, as it's largely been taken over by conspiracy cultists.
Same.
Going to the Poli board is like walking into a conspiracy cosplay convention. Like one poster said, it's a shame, because there are actually some really intelligent posters on there. You just have to sift through an endless legion of X-Files simps to find them.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:03 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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H.I. Sutton
@covertshores
BREAKING***
Sudden Increase In #Russian Navy Activity In Black Sea
Been watching the Russian Navy carefully. A sudden change in activity levels or patterns may indicate impending operations
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:19 pm to tigeraddict
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tanks change their barrels evey 100-200 rounds (EFC rounds) due to accuracy fall off. Artillery barrels are changes every 1000-2000rounds (EFC)
Per my sauce(s) in Ukraine, the tanks that Ukraine were pulled out of storage are having to change their barrel before 100 rounds and artillery only lasted 500 rounds before needing their barrels changed because of the way the steel degraded during decades of open air storage in Ukraine. The climate where the Russian equipment was stored was even more harsh and some of these pieces are 50-60 years old. I highly doubt that Russia gets 1000 rounds out of an artillery barrel unless it’s a new or relatively new piece.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:19 pm to BugAC
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Are you assuming i'm a Democrat or something? Wreckless spending is wreckless spending. We don't excuse wasting $40 billion in Ukraine just because we are wasting $200 billion on military tranny reassignment surgery or other stupid shite.
I understand peoples opinions on handing over straight cash, but what is the objection to say, giving Ukraine preexisting missile defense systems to shoot down Russian cruise missiles or Iranian drones ?
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:21 pm to WeeWee
Reminds me of that time Mexico paid for the wall.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:28 pm to BugAC
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Are you assuming i'm a Democrat or something? Wreckless spending is wreckless spending.
No I am assuming you are a hypocritical trump supporter who supported military spending and enriching the MIC under Trump, but doesn’t support it under Biden.
It’s not wreckless spending. It’s proactive spending. Ukraine has neutered the Russian threat to NATO. That Russian threat would have cost the USA a lot more in the long run.
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That cash can be used to reimburse the USA and other nations or paid to Ukraine as reparations for the war and then Ukraine can use it to pay us back when the war is over.
:rofl:
What’s funny? The USA and the EU have already said that they are not giving that money back to Russia.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:38 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Not dissimilar to Chinese dropping dead in the street bc of Covid, or the mass running of people rushing into a building ending up actually being Cowboy’s Stadium, yes.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:39 pm to CitizenK
Correct. Just like there are not bio weapon labs in Ukraine according to MSM and yet there are.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:09 pm to LeClerc
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The list of House Republicans who have always voted against Ukraine relief are:
You don't want to be seen as insufficiently loyal to Ukraine do you, comrade?
You do not want to be the first to stop clapping.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:15 pm to LeClerc
I thought Graves was smarter than that
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