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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:19 pm to TBoy
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:19 pm to TBoy
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he use of the word “won” is too strong.
Russia won the information war on oil/gas a decade ago. They were behind the "Dirty Tar Sands" making people think that tar sands were going to be pipelined into the USA. They were able to win the anti "fracking" war in key areas, across Europe (Germany and France have tremendous potential) as well as in the USA with NY State which will not another pipeline across it and banning the activity just across the borders where it is successful and giving landowners a fistful of dollars.
That set up Europe being dependent on Russia for natural gas, crude oil, and refined products.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:59 pm to CitizenK
ISW Update
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Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to discuss negotiations with Ukraine as a means of separating Ukraine from its Western supporters by portraying Kyiv as unwilling to compromise or even to engage in serious talks. During a news conference at the Eurasian Economic Union summit in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, on December 9, Putin clarified his December 7 statements wherein he suggested that Russia was preparing for a “lengthy” war and stated that he meant the settlement process would be protracted...Putin has consistently weaponized invocations of the negotiation process to isolate Ukraine from partner support by framing Ukraine as refusing concessions and likely seeks to use any ceasefire and negotiation window to allow Russian troops time to reconstitute and relaunch operations, thus depriving Ukraine of the initiative. A ceasefire agreement that occurs soon enough to allow Russian forces to rest and refit this winter is extremely unlikely, however...Putin may be overly optimistic about the prospects for a more immediate cessation of hostilities, but that is also unlikely given his rhetoric as well as statements by Ukrainian leaders and the West, of which he is well aware. It is more likely that Putin is fanning discussions of a ceasefire primarily as part of an information operation designed to expand cleavages between Ukraine and its backers by portraying Kyiv as unwilling to talk. Putin is likely secondarily setting conditions for actual negotiations sometime in 2023, presumably after Russian forces have secured more of the territory he claims to have annexed
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Putin’s positioning in the Russian information space continues to oscillate between supporting the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and backing the nationalist and pro-war milblogger community. Putin stated that the Russian MoD “behaves transparently” and properly reflects the “stable” progress of the “special military operation” in its daily reports.[6] Putin, however, then proceeded to undermine the Russian MoD when responding to a question about persistent problems with supplying the army and mobilization, noting that the Russian MoD informed him that the Russian Armed Forces has solved most of its debilitating issues.[7] Putin also told journalists: “You cannot trust anyone. You can only trust me,” when responding to a question about whether Russians should trust Russian MoD or sources operating on the frontlines...Putin likely attempts to preserve the position he has tried to occupy throughout his reign, in which he is seemingly aware of all Russian problems while not being directly responsible for them. Putin has long established the Russian MoD as a scapegoat for his failures, but the quasi-official milblogger community may pose a threat to his pretense of ignorance of problems
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An independent open-source investigation by BBC’s Russia service and independent Russia outlet Mediazona offered a series of observations on the nature of losses suffered by Russian troops in Ukraine. The BBC confirmed the deaths of 10,000 Russian soldiers in Ukraine based on open-source records and noted that over 400 of the deceased were soldiers called up by partial mobilization.[9] This number notably does not encapsulate the actual scale of Russian losses in Ukraine and reflects only those whose deaths are confirmable in the open source...The BBC investigation also found that both elite units and officers have suffered substantial losses in Ukraine. The BBC reported that the Special Forces of the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces (GRU Spetznaz) has suffered 250 confirmed losses, nearly 25% of whom were officers, which in the case of some individual Spetsnaz units exceeds cumulative losses over 10 years of Russian operations in Chechnya.[15] The BBC additionally identified 1,509 confirmed officer deaths- or 15% of the 10,002 identified losses.[16] The losses accrued by elite units and the Russian officer cadre will have significant and generational ramifications for the Russian military.
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Russian officials continue efforts to place legislative controls on domestic dissent. Independent Russian outlet Meduza reported on December 9 that Russian State Duma deputies proposed a bill introducing new crimes and charges related to financing, inducing, recruiting, training for, organizing, or engaging in sabotage activities.[17] In all cases, except for complicity in sabotage, the proposed law introduces a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. Life imprisonment is currently the maximum sentence only in the case of deaths resulting from sabotage actions
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Senior US officials stated that Russia is providing an unprecedented level of military and technical support to Iran in exchange for Iranian-made weapons systems. NBC News reported on December 9 that senior US presidential administration officials stated that Russia may be providing Iran with advanced military equipment and components, including helicopters and air defense systems, in exchange for Iranian-made high-precision weapons systems that Russia has used and intends to use in the war in Ukraine.[20] The officials specified that Russia may send Iran Su-35 aircraft within the next year and that Russia is possibly seeking to establish a joint Russian Iranian production line for drone systems in the Russian Federation.
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Key Takeaways
Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to discuss negotiations with Ukraine as a means of separating Ukraine from its Western supporters by portraying Kyiv as unwilling to compromise or even to talk seriously.
Putin’s positioning in the Russian information space continues to oscillate between supporting the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and backing the nationalist and pro-war milblogger community.
An independent open-source investigation by the BBC’s Russia service and independent Russia outlet Mediazona found that members of Russian national republics deploy to Ukraine at disproportionately higher rates than ethnically Russian oblasts, but that ethnic Russians are dying at a rate proportional to their representation in the Russian Federation population, contrary to previous ISW assessments.
Russian officials strengthened existing legislation to stifle domestic dissent.
Senior US officials stated that Russia is providing an unprecedented level of military and technical support to Iran in exchange for Iranian-made weapons systems.
Russian forces established defensive lines near Svatove, and Russian and Ukrainian forces conducted ground attacks near Kreminna.
Russian forces continued ground attacks near Bakhmut and Avdiivka.
Russian forces may have established positions on an island west of Kherson City in the Dnipro River.
Ukrainian forces’ interdiction campaign against Russian military assets and logistics hubs in southern Ukraine has likely degraded Russian forces, their logistics lines, and broader Russian morale.
Putin doubled down on claims that Russia will not conduct a second wave of mobilization amidst persistent concerns within Russian society.
Russian occupation authorities continued to strengthen physical, legal, and social control over occupied territories.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 9:21 pm to TBoy
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because the descriptions appear accurate.
I don’t think there’s many people on this planet that believe things that don’t “appear accurate” to them.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 9:25 pm to LSUPilot07
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The US has agreed with Germany to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine as well as 18 RCH 155 self propelled howitzers. Depending on how many are actually sent Leopard 2 tanks would be a massive get for Ukraine. They were clearly the best option to send over the Abrams because the Leopard runs on a diesel engine that Ukrainian mechanics would be better equipped to work on rather than the turbine engines that are in our Abrams tanks.
Can you provide a link that there is an actual agreement to send the Leopards? That would be huge news. The news that I saw was the US saying that we have no objection to Germany sending the Leopards.
That sounds like a trial balloon, not a commitment to actually send tanks.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 10:19 pm to Lakeboy7
2014 dipshit, 2014!!!
BIDEN was too busy shaking down Ukraine to advocate for real military aid. He was the point man for Obama there.
BIDEN was too busy shaking down Ukraine to advocate for real military aid. He was the point man for Obama there.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 10:27 pm to LSU7096
She shouldn’t have been traded for him, simple as that. Her being swapped out has nothing to do with Russia invading Ukraine, which has cost how many hundreds of thousands of lives?
Posted on 12/9/22 at 10:41 pm to TBoy
Frick Joe Biden.
Trading that damn criminal was disgraceful.
Trading that damn criminal was disgraceful.
This post was edited on 12/9/22 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 12/10/22 at 6:49 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 10 December 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Iran has become one of Russia's top military backers since Russia invaded Ukraine.
Iran's support to the Russian military is likely to grow in the coming months: Russia is attempting to obtain more weapons, including hundreds of ballistic missiles. In return Russia is highly likely offering Iran an unprecedented level of military and technical support that is transforming their defence relationship.
Russia has highly likely expended a large proportion of its stock of its own SS-26 Iskander short range ballistic missiles, which carry a 500kg warhead up to 500km. If Russia succeeds in bringing a large number of Iranian ballistic missiles into service, it will likely use them to continue and expand its campaign of strikes against Ukraine's critical national infrastructure.
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 10 December 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Iran has become one of Russia's top military backers since Russia invaded Ukraine.
Iran's support to the Russian military is likely to grow in the coming months: Russia is attempting to obtain more weapons, including hundreds of ballistic missiles. In return Russia is highly likely offering Iran an unprecedented level of military and technical support that is transforming their defence relationship.
Russia has highly likely expended a large proportion of its stock of its own SS-26 Iskander short range ballistic missiles, which carry a 500kg warhead up to 500km. If Russia succeeds in bringing a large number of Iranian ballistic missiles into service, it will likely use them to continue and expand its campaign of strikes against Ukraine's critical national infrastructure.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 7:10 am to cypher
Journalists count Russian military facilities in occupied Crimea
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Saturday, 10 December 2022, 13:27
Having studied Planet Labs satellite images, journalists have counted ten operating military airfields and two aircraft engineering plants in Russian-occupied Crimea.
Source: Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
Details: Radio Liberty journalists have collected and analysed over 150 military facilities in Crimea, by studying Planet Labs satellite images of military bases, airfields, air defence locations and ships of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet.
Ukrainska Pravda
More details in this link (requires browser translation)
RFE/RL
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Saturday, 10 December 2022, 13:27
Having studied Planet Labs satellite images, journalists have counted ten operating military airfields and two aircraft engineering plants in Russian-occupied Crimea.
Source: Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
Details: Radio Liberty journalists have collected and analysed over 150 military facilities in Crimea, by studying Planet Labs satellite images of military bases, airfields, air defence locations and ships of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet.
Ukrainska Pravda
More details in this link (requires browser translation)
RFE/RL
Posted on 12/10/22 at 8:11 am to cypher
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KYIV, Ukraine (AP) – Russian forces have “destroyed” the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, President Volodymyr Zelensky said, while Ukraine’s military on Saturday reported missile, rocket and air strikes in multiple parts of the country that Moscow is trying to conquer after months of resistance.
The latest battles of Russia’s 9 1/2 month war in Ukraine have centred on four provinces that Russian President Vladimir Putin triumphantly — and illegally — claimed to have annexed in late September. The fighting indicates Russia’s struggle to establish control of those regions and Ukraine’s persistence to reclaim them.
Zelensky said the situation “remains very difficult” in several frontline cities in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk and Luhansk provinces. Together, the provinces make up the Donbas, an expansive industrial region bordering Russia that Putin identified as a focus from the war’s outset and where Moscow-backed separatists have fought since 2014.
“Bakhmut, Soledar, Maryinka, Kreminna. For a long time, there is no living place left on the land of these areas that have not been damaged by shells and fire,” Zelensky said in his nightly video address, naming cities that have again found themselves in the crosshairs. “The occupiers actually destroyed Bakhmut, another Donbas city that the Russian army turned into burnt ruins.”
Zelensky didn’t specify what he meant by “destroyed” – and some buildings remain standing and residents still mill about in city streets.
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Taking Bakhmut would rupture Ukraine’s supply lines and open a route for Russian forces to press on toward Kramatorsk and Sloviansk, key Ukrainian strongholds in Donetsk. Russia has battered Bakhmut with rockets for more than half of the year. A ground assault accelerated after its troops forced the Ukrainians to withdraw from Luhansk in July.
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“The costs associated with six months of brutal, grinding, and attrition-based combat around #Bakhmut far outweigh any operational advantage that the #Russians can obtain from taking Bakhmut,” the Institute for the Study of War, a think tank in Washington, posted on its Twitter feed on Thursday.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 8:58 am to Cobra Tate
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Taking Bakhmut would rupture Ukraine’s supply lines and open a route for Russian forces to press on toward Kramatorsk and Sloviansk, key Ukrainian strongholds in Donetsk. Russia has battered Bakhmut with rockets for more than half of the year. A ground assault accelerated after its troops forced the Ukrainians to withdraw from Luhansk in July.
1st taking Bakhmut won’t rupture Ukraine supply lines and Based on Russias inability to take Bakhnut for over half a year, Kramatosk is very safe for at least the next decade.
Russias inability to take Bakhmut after six months of trying with their best offensive combat units is just another example of how shitty the Russian military is.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:03 am to Chromdome35
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just another example of how shitty the Russian military is.
That and how much our military aid can help
Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:27 am to Cobra Tate
Twitter - Kazakh journalist responds to threats from Russian Ambassador
1:48 clip where the Kazakh bitch slaps Russian Ambassador to Kazakhstan. Also seeing the Kazakhs moving tanks and personnel toward their NW border with Russia, but none of that seems solidly supported that I can see.
1:48 clip where the Kazakh bitch slaps Russian Ambassador to Kazakhstan. Also seeing the Kazakhs moving tanks and personnel toward their NW border with Russia, but none of that seems solidly supported that I can see.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:32 am to CitizenK
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Why wouldn't Putin/Kremlin conclude that Biden was weak.
Absolutely no reason not to think that.
But, Biden is a product of the cold war and he absolutely hates Putin, called him a murderer. People lose sight of this with their individual politics but this really is an old school, east versus west power struggle and Biden has the money and the toys.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 9:56 am to Lakeboy7
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quote:Why wouldn't Putin/Kremlin conclude that Biden was weak.
A couple of reasons;
Biden opposed the first Iraq War and was ok with letting Iraq take Kuwait.
Biden was a part of the Obama administration and Putin saw Biden as Obama, Jr. for that reason. Remember Putin easily manipulated Obama who talked about red lines but never acted.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:12 am to doubleb
If you had told me in February we dig in this hard you could have gotten all my money.
But remember, these are people that have known and hated each other for decades and then Putin makes a critical (fatal) miscalculation and opened himself up.
And while Iraq and Afghanistan were nice distractions, the senior leadership (the 3 and 4 stars) of the US Military have been preparing for the destruction of Russia their entire careers. Even during the peak of Iraq and Afghanistan we were still designing and building weapons systems for peer on peer (Russia, CHina) combat.
But remember, these are people that have known and hated each other for decades and then Putin makes a critical (fatal) miscalculation and opened himself up.
And while Iraq and Afghanistan were nice distractions, the senior leadership (the 3 and 4 stars) of the US Military have been preparing for the destruction of Russia their entire careers. Even during the peak of Iraq and Afghanistan we were still designing and building weapons systems for peer on peer (Russia, CHina) combat.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 10:21 am
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:41 am to Lakeboy7
It’s true.
The U.S. military has done “ok” against insurgents and asymmetrical warfare, but we aren’t designed for that.
The entire military has been designed to frick Russia for basically the last 70 years….and it’s finally happening.
The U.S. military has done “ok” against insurgents and asymmetrical warfare, but we aren’t designed for that.
The entire military has been designed to frick Russia for basically the last 70 years….and it’s finally happening.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 10:42 am
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:49 am to Highthoughts
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“ok” against insurgents and asymmetrical warfare, but we aren’t designed for that.
No we arent
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The entire military has been designed to frick Russia for basically the last 70 years….and it’s finally happening.
Yeah and in a way nobody could have predicted. But at the end of the day the Russians (Putin) did this to themselves. frick em.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:06 pm to Highthoughts
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The entire military has been designed to frick Russia for basically the last 70 years….and it’s finally happening.
Indeed, it seems as though we are developing a new generation of "Icon Kissers".
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