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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:47 am to
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:47 am to
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Yet we get mad at Elon when he asks for a few bucks to help help pay Ukraine’s internet while other defense manufactures are cashing billion dollar checks.

Don’t worry. He’s been getting paid all along.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:50 am to
So you’re saying that the USG is giving giving 20million plus to SpaceX specifically for the bandwidth and connectivity he is providing to the military of Ukraine?
Posted by Mr Happy
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:11 am to
This is an interesting article that argues now is the time for Ukraine to hit military targets deep in Russia. It would further erode Putin's perceived legitimately and prevent Russia from converting surface to air rockets into surface to surface offensive weapons.
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A Ukrainian airstrike that successfully penetrates Russian air defenses, would be a direct challenge to Putin’s naïve assumption of security against air raids. The shock would, first, provoke Russia to misdirect resources and at best marginally intensify retaliation against civilian targets in Ukraine, and second, would cause a significant diversion of resources into air defense.

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Even a few raids by Ukraine’s handful of Su-24 bombers and drones, would oblige Putin to keep in reserve his 8,000 S-300 air defense rockets, rather than have them repurposed to strike civilian and military targets in Ukraine.


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Despite severe damage to Ukraine’s electrical and water purification infrastructure, Russia expended the majority of its non-strategic missiles and inflicted less than 1,000 Ukrainian fatalities, all the while failing to stop Ukraine’s advances on the ground.

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Putin’s regimes is instrumentally contractual with Russian citizens, offering explicit material payoffs and promises of stability, in exchange for acquiescence, rendering their support for the regime far more fragile than in democracies. Their suffering from economic sanctions and burden of reserve mobilization has violated that social pact. A Ukrainian bombing attack deep within Russia would profoundly shatter that sense of invulnerability brought about by decades of strategic nuclear deterrence.

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This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 9:29 am
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:14 am to
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Don’t worry. He’s been getting paid all along.


Ukrainians are paying what amounts to half price and individual military units have had to purchase the Starlink base stations. Sure he gave away a number of Starlink base stations but a great many paid for them
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 8:31 am
Posted by nitwit
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:38 am to
Does it matter if he is getting paid specifically for this?
To hear others, including Trump tell it, nobody on the planet has benefitted more from gov't subsidies than Musk and the amounts are in billions.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:42 am to
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Does it matter if he is getting paid specifically for this? To hear others, including Trump tell it, nobody on the planet has benefitted more from gov't subsidies than Musk and the amounts are in billions.


Good point. We should also stop paying Lockheed, General Dynamics and Boeing for anything they send to Ukraine. I’m sure they’d all be happy to provide HIMARS and Javelins to Ukraine out of the goodness of their hearts and no cost to the US taxpayer.
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:21 am to
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Does it matter if he is getting paid specifically for this?

Of course not. He should be paid for what his company provides. But he was acting like he was giving the service and stations away which was categorically not true. He allowed access to the system. He may have given a discount, although I haven't seen anything that actually verifies that. But sure, Starlink is entitled to be paid for the service it provides.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:48 am to
Your moniker serves you well as a clear indication of your IQ.

He did get nice subsidies for Tesla, for SpacEx he saves the government money buy being a lower cost service provider than NASA.
Posted by nitwit
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:05 am to
So, he gets no subsidies for Space -X?
Posted by Texaggie96
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:27 am to
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The problem with all those nice portable generators is need for fuel and lower efficiency than field erected power plants. The good news is that micro grids need less balancing than macro.


That and it's harder to take out 1000 generators vs 50 power plants.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:18 pm to
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He should be paid for what his company provides


He gave 20K sets of hardware for free and the rest for half off. Also the bandwidth is free for the Ukrainian government and military. I’m not sure about the random Ukrainian civilian who wants to watch porn. There’s no reason for them to get any kind of discount anyway.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:15 pm to
from everyone who has reported getting the hardware, they had to pay full price and delivery to Poland. Even military units.

Additionally, it was never a spur of the moment decision by Musk. Ukrainian government had been in negotiations with Starlink beginning mid/late 2021, not after Feb 24th. Ukraine has a thriving digital business sector and its government saw the potential for use of Starlink.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 1:18 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:44 pm to
Bunched up like sheep doesn't seem very military like.

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Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 2:17 pm to
Some great observations by @DefMon3 in his daily update twitter thread:

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14 day weather for the Kreminna area show sub 0 temperatures both day and night for the next two weeks. I believe this will be enough to freeze the ground enough to allow for easier movement in terrain.


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The offensive units from Kherson have not made an appearance on the battlefield yet. It does not seems like the Donetsk-Bakhmut area as gotten significant reinforcements. This makes me draw the conclusions the AFU is accumulating forces for further offensive actions.


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I see two options for the AFU.

1. Svatove-Kreminna front, high risk and high reward. Try to advance enough to get within HIMARS range of Luhansk and RU railway logistics
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Polohy-Tokmak, lower risk and lower reward. Try to capture Polohy and surroundings and get barrel artillery range on the Railroad. This would leave 200km of frontline without a railroad connection for the Russians and more or less divide the southern front with HIMARS control.




So, starting now, the temperature in the Svatove area stays below freezing, and the ground will freeze, and Ukraine has lot of troops that were fighting in the Kherson front which have not yet been redeployed, and there's tremendous value in breaking through near Svatove and disrupting rail lines in the Luhansk Oblast and to the city of Luhansk itself.

Hmm ...
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:26 pm to
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lsu777


The vast majority of analyst believe pretty much exactly what he’s saying. Not sure why your being so hostile about it
Posted by OGtigerfan87
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:30 pm to
No they don’t lol
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 3:30 pm
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:57 pm to
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The vast majority of analyst believe pretty much exactly what he’s saying. Not sure why your being so hostile about it


because he is a russian bot

and what analyst?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:59 pm to
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No they don’t lol


Dude nearly everyone believes that Ukraine needs a couple months to regroup and restockpile munitions before another offensive. This isn’t some secret crazy made up nonsense. It doesn’t mean Russia is winning. It’s just the reality of the situation.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:18 pm to
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and what analyst?


General Milley the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs for one.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 5:03 pm to
There is a big difference between needing to regroup and stockpile ammo and being totally exhausted as the new Russian bot is saying.

To date, the only combatant's army that has collapsed on any front is Russia's, and they have multiple times now.

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The vast majority of analyst believe pretty much exactly what he’s saying. Not sure why your being so hostile about it


Please provide some links to back this statement up. I follow this war closer than most and I haven't seen anyone (much less a vast majority) make this statement.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 5:05 pm
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