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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:54 pm to Highthoughts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:54 pm to Highthoughts
They can't even decide if they're sad that Ukraine doesn't have Nazis or upset that they do have Nazis. 
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Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:55 pm to WDE24
Just wait another 8 hours after he’s hit the bottle. His rants tonight will be of epic proportions.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:57 pm to DrAnonymous
The counterpoint would be maybe we should provide them with air defense systems that function properly instead of the Russian-made ones that do not.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:57 pm to oogabooga68
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Good to see you've moved on from pushing poisons and shilling for Billion Dollar Pharma to slurping for Nazis in Ukraine.
I still do the former lol. Just every chance I get in patient encounters.
Muh nazis!
Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:59 pm to TigerDoc
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Fash sad that Ukraine lacks the Nazis they love.
I'm not fash, old man, I want to be entertained.
I'm one of the few pro-Ukrainian people on this forum.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:00 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Imagine using a Donald Trump Jr. quote to support your position. How fricking sad
Was the quote wrong about the origin of the missile?
Ever heard of context?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:01 pm to TigerDoc
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They can't even decide if they're sad that Ukraine doesn't have Nazis or upset that they do have Nazis.
Ukraine has Nazi-wannbes who are autistic in their ideology. They don't seem to understand the Nazi-ism was about breaking away from the alleged economic slavery Germany was put after WW2 by European allies. They wanted to create another Roman empire for 1000 years.
Ukrainians are just US and NATO puppets who have moronic confused Nazi wannabes dying for the cause of Ukrainian "nationalism". But they also want to be part of EU and be told what to do.
So it's $0.02.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:03 pm to DrAnonymous
So, you have to have the right kind of Nazis?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:07 pm to DrAnonymous
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they have a substantial share of Nazi sympathizers, HOWEVER their Nazi worship is based around hating Russia
Ya, everyone knows this. It's funny.
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What's happening to Ukraine now isn't making them "free" nor "independent". They are entirely dependent on US, EU and NATO with many strings attached.
So they should just accept defeat, take help from no one, and allow their sovereignty to be questioned? I disagree.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:08 pm to DrAnonymous
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They don't seem to understand the Nazi-ism was about breaking away from the alleged economic slavery Germany was put after WW2 by European allies.
Lol it wasn't about that. It was a combination of pre-WWI ethnonationalism combined with traditional German conservatives intense distrust of the SPD and democracy. Several Nazi ideas predate the Nazis, from the blood and soil rhetoric to Lebensraum, which undermines the notion they were responding to Versailles directly. Of course, you give the German's post-war economic plan the benefit of the doubt so it leads to one conclusion, but you should think about the events of 1922 and 23 a bit more carefully, lol.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:08 pm to DrAnonymous
Adding to that Ukrainian Nazis perceive Russia as too "diverse", with lots of minorities in Russian military. You have asians, Caucasian(from Caucuses like Chechnya Dagestan), and slavs in Russian forces. However EU will most definitely diversify Ukraine given a chance. Same thing that happened to France, Germany, Sweden, England.
Except Ukraine won't have the strong economy to support migrants. Poland tried to buck EU migratory agenda, but it's just on a temporary pause.
Except Ukraine won't have the strong economy to support migrants. Poland tried to buck EU migratory agenda, but it's just on a temporary pause.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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Lol it wasn't about that. It was a combination of pre-WWI ethnonationalism combined with traditional German conservatives intense distrust of the SPD and democracy. Several Nazi ideas predate the Nazis, from the blood and soil rhetoric to Lebensraum, which undermines the notion they were responding to Versailles directly. Of course, you give the German's post-war economic plan the benefit of the doubt so it leads to one conclusion, but you should think about the events of 1922 and 23 a bit more carefully, lol.
How do you think Nazi Party got so popular? Europe put an economic yoke on Germany. People thought Germany carrying economic burden all by itself was unjust, so they looked for scapegoats and nationalism gave way to fascism which promised to right the wrongs of 1st World War. It's no coincidence Hitler and many Nazi leaders were WW1 vets.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:13 pm to Obtuse1
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The counterpoint would be maybe we should provide them with air defense systems that function properly instead of the Russian-made ones that do not.
Why would a stray air defense missile hitting Poland impact whether Ukraine deserved military assistance/aid? There is no correlation between these 2 things.
There is no logical argument. It’s just a drive by without any coherent message.
But it’s just more evidence that Russia clearly prefers Trump in power because his camp is much softer on Russia.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:14 pm to Old Money
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So they should just accept defeat, take help from no one, and allow their sovereignty to be questioned? I disagree.
If by defeat you mean giving away two Republics in the east and Crimea to Russia, then yes.
In return, they get to preserve what's left of their electrical grid and not turn into Syria 2.0.
I don't understand Ukrainain obsession with their Eastern front which has been broiled in Civil War for 9 years. Oil/gas rich land? Not that average Ukrainian would benefit much from it.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:14 pm to DrAnonymous
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Adding to that Ukrainian Nazis perceive Russia as too "diverse", with lots of minorities in Russian military. You have asians, Caucasian(from Caucuses like Chechnya Dagestan), and slavs in Russian forces.
The proportions of ethnic Ukrainians to minorities in Ukraine is virtually the same as the proportions of ethnic Russians to minorities in Russia. I don't think you are all that reliable a source for this discussion, unless you are some Nazi purist, which given your anti-migrant rhetoric, you might as well be.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:20 pm to TigerDoc
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So, you have to have the right kind of Nazis?
0 to potato in 2 seconds.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:24 pm to DrAnonymous
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How do you think Nazi Party got so popular?
Because German conservatives put their efforts behind them after the elections of 1928 lead to a government led by the SPD. Kurt von Schleicher vowed that the SPD could never come in power again, and he thought he could control the Nazi Party and Hitler. How popular do you think the Nazis were?
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It's no coincidence Hitler and many Nazi leaders were WW1 vets.
So were Arthur Crispien and Hans Vogel you moron. That fact doesn't illustrate any point, because nearly all German politicians of that era, whether they were part of the SPD, the militarist wing, the monarchists, etc. were vets, because the Imperial German Army had compulsory service.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:33 pm to DrAnonymous
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In return, they get to preserve what's left of their electrical grid and not turn into Syria 2.0.
Wow, you don't seem to understand Syria at all nor do you understand that 'keeping their energy infrastructure' isn't some immutable characteristic that should lead then to give away their own sovereign territory. If that is the trade, then the Ukrainians should obviously keep fighting.
You guys make continually terrible points. Can you at least update the talking points? Because the ones you guys use are exceedingly stupid.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:59 pm to crazy4lsu
Imagine coming home to this
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