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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/30/22 at 3:05 pm to
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/30/22 at 3:05 pm to
Yep, these things are gamechangers. For now.

Once again, war shows us that it is responsible for the quick development of technology. No doubt there will be anti-drone boat technology developed soon.

War is the mother of invention.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/30/22 at 3:10 pm to
A close friend who was in fire control on the USS Albany in the mid 70's said that they used highpower drones for ship to ship target practice. 16 foot long boats which went around 70 MPH. They could hit them if they wanted to and did a few times on purpose in oops moments.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8619 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 3:32 pm to
Our navy ships would most likely use CWIS to stop something like that.
This post was edited on 10/30/22 at 3:36 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105316 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 4:08 pm to
Russian army in action LINK
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 4:12 pm to
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Dumb question I know, but what do the US ships use to stop this kind of stuff?
Seems like some bouy and nets would do the trick. Probably better than those stupid cages the Russians put on their tanks to stop Jevelins.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8619 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 4:50 pm to
Wow. Just wow. They can’t even retreat right.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30526 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 4:57 pm to
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Seems like some bouy and nets would do the trick.


There are all sorts of references from WWII they can look at regarding anti-torpedo nets. There were used even with ships underway. Though they only forced the enemy to put net cutters on the front of torpedoes. It might work well in port but honestly, we almost certainly have better ways.

If you watch the video of the helicopter engaging the drone it is hard to believe a US door gunner or front seater wouldn't have sunk the drone on the first pass. I remember working with an Apache front seater in Panama that I swear could shoot running rats with the 30 mic mic. Seeing a PDF soldier get hit center mass through NVGs with rounds from an M230 chain gun was the scariest and yet most amazing thing I had ever seen.
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/30/22 at 4:59 pm to
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Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15773 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 5:00 pm to
I notice how that everywhere Russians have been they leave a LOT of trash behind and trails of trash wherever they go is how they were easily tracked in woods while retreating from the Kyiv offensive.

Hell, I know how to field strip a cigarette when I was in high school, leaving the tobacco only on the ground and paper went into my pocket. These soldiers must have raised in trash filled homes by trashy parents.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15883 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 5:37 pm to
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Our navy ships would most likely use CWIS to stop something like that.


Or Hellwhip but y'all don't know about that.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 6:31 pm to
ISW Updare out early today

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ISW is publishing an abbreviated campaign update today, October 30. This report forecasts that Russia will continue to conduct conventional military operations well into 2023 rather than escalating to the use of tactical nuclear weapons or scaling back its objectives in pursuit of some off-ramp. It considers the timelines of Russian force generation and deployment, of weather effects, and of Moscow’s efforts to freeze Europe into surrender. It includes a summary of battlefield activities that will be described in more detail in tomorrow’s update.


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Russian President Vladimir Putin will most likely try to continue conventional military operations in Ukraine to hold currently occupied territories, gain new ground, and set conditions for the collapse of Western support for Ukraine that he likely expects to occur this winter.


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This forecast rests on two assessments. First, that Putin is setting conditions to continue throwing poorly prepared Russian troops directly into the fighting in Ukraine for the foreseeable future rather than pausing operations to reconstitute effective military forces. Second, that Putin’s theory of victory relies on using the harsh winter to break Europe’s will.


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Russian force-generation efforts will occur over the course of several predictable time periods.


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The Russian military will begin its semi-annual conscription call-up a month later than usual on November 1, 2022.


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The combination of the just-completed partial reserve mobilization and the annual conscription cycle thus creates two likely waves of Russian troops flowing into Ukraine—one moving in over the next few weeks, and the other starting to flow in spring 2023


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Weather offers another likely periodization of Russian efforts that coincides well with the force-generation timelines discussed above


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The Russian partial mobilization of reservists just completed strongly suggests that Putin intends to keep fighting into 2023 rather than expecting to secure some sort of ceasefire or to escalate in a way that could end the war on his terms


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Putin’s efforts to break Europe’s will by withholding Russian energy supplies over the winter offers yet another timeline that coheres well with the others.


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These timelines are likely more significant in shaping Putin’s thoughts and decisions than in shaping effects on the ground.


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Putin is thus setting conditions to continue waging conventional war for the foreseeable future rather than preparing to try to end the war by escalation or by making for some “off-ramp.


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On the battlefield, Ukrainian forces conducted further offensive operations in northeastern Ukraine, and Russian forces continued to set conditions for a withdrawal from Kherson. Those developments are summarized briefly and will be covered in more detail tomorrow.


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Key inflections in ongoing military operations on October 30:

Unconfirmed Russian reports claimed that Russian Lieutenant General Andrey Mordvichev (Commander of the 8th Combined Arms Army of the Southern Military District) replaced
Colonel General Alexander Lapin as Central Military District (CMD) commander as of October 30.[13] Russian sources continue to make contradictory reports about whether Lapin was fully relieved of command of the CMD or just relieved of command of the Russian operational “Central Group of Forces” operating in Ukraine.[14]

The Russian Ministry of Defense and Russian sources claimed that Russian forces repelled Ukrainian assaults on Pershotravneve, Tabaivka, and Berestove in Kharkiv Oblast.[15]

Ukrainian sources and geolocated reports indicate that Russian forces destroyed a bridge over the Krasna River in Krasnorichenske, Luhansk Oblast.[16] Russian milbloggers accused Ukrainian forces of destroying the bridge.[17]

A Russian occupation official stated that Russian force are preparing to defend Kherson City by engineering defenses in Bilozerka and Chornobaivka.[18] Ukrainian military official also noted that Russian officials continued to prepare defenses around Kherson City.[19]

Ukrainian military officials reported that Russian forces are preparing to withdraw artillery units from unspecified areas on the western bank of the Dnipro River to possibly reinforce other directions.[20]

Ukrainian military officials also reported that several hundred Rosgvardia servicemen deployed from the Republic of Chechnya to Kalanchak in southwestern Kherson Oblast.[21]

Russian forces continued to shell Ukrainian positions in Beryslav Raion, Kherson Oblast, and both Ukrainian and Russian sources provided limited information regarding the situation on the Kherson Oblast frontline.[22]

Russian sources claimed that Russian forces captured Vodyane, Donetsk Oblast, (4km northwest of Donetsk International Airport) on October 30.[23] The Ukrainian General Staff’s evening report did not report repelling Russian attacks in this area as it usually does, potentially indicating that the Russian claims are accurate.

Russian sources reported that Russian forces captured Pavlivka, Donetsk Oblast, (2km southwest of Vuhledar) on October 30.[24] Some Russian sources claim that Russian forces control only half of Pavlivka as of October 30.[25]

The Ukrainian General Staff’s evening report did not report repelling Russian attacks in this area as it usually does, potentially indicating that the Russian claims are accurate.

Russian forces launched Kh-59 cruise missiles at Ochakiv, Mykolaiv Oblast.[26] Russian sources claimed that Russian forces targeted and destroyed military infrastructure in Ochakiv.[27]

Mobilized men from Republic of Komi appealed to Russian authorities with complaints of insufficient military equipment and body armor.[28]

Russia announced its intention to supply 500,000 tons of grain to the “poorest countries” following its withdrawal from the deal that allowed Ukraine to export its grain.[29]

Ukraine announced that it intends to export agricultural products to maintain global food security.[30]

Ukrainian military officials reported that Russian forces continued to create conditions in Nova Kakhovka to drive local inhabitants to evacuate.[31]

Occupation authorities in Kherson Oblast announced a dual currency system that allows the use of both rubles and hryvnya, unwinding a months-long effort to enforce rubleization in the oblast.[32]
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2869 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 6:45 pm to
Can they depress far enough,esp close-in?

I have no idea
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 6:52 pm to
Reuters: Grain market braces for price flurry as Black Sea corridor in doubt

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PARIS, Oct 30 (Reuters) - Wheat futures are expected to leap on Monday as Russia's withdrawal from a Black Sea corridor agreement puts Ukrainian exports at risk, analysts said.

Moscow suspended its participation in the Black Sea deal on Saturday, in response to what it called a major Ukrainian drone attack on its fleet in Russian-annexed Crimea.

Kyiv said Russia was making an excuse for a prepared exit from the accord while Washington accused Moscow of weaponising food.

Wheat markets have been very sensitive to developments in Moscow's eight month-old invasion of Ukraine, as both countries are among the world's largest wheat exporters.

Ukraine is also a major corn supplier.

The establishment of the corridor, which allowed over 9 million tonnes of grain and oilseed commodities to be shipped from Ukrainian ports, helped to steady grain markets and curb global prices after they hit record levels.

That relative calm is likely to end when Chicago and Paris wheat, the world's two most-active wheat futures contracts, start their trading week on Monday.

"Russia's announcement is certainly bullish for prices and the start of the week is very likely to see prices climb, simply because less grain is going to come out of Ukraine," Arthur Portier of consultancy Agritel said.

Purchasing of grain for Black Sea ports in Ukraine has stopped following Russia's decision, a Ukrainian broker said.

That relative calm is likely to end when Chicago and Paris wheat, the world's two most-active wheat futures contracts, start their trading week on Monday.

"Russia's announcement is certainly bullish for prices and the start of the week is very likely to see prices climb, simply because less grain is going to come out of Ukraine," Arthur Portier of consultancy Agritel said.

Purchasing of grain for Black Sea ports in Ukraine has stopped following Russia's decision, a Ukrainian broker said.


Hmmm, odd, isn’t this what I’ve been saying what will happen for months? “Oh OML is wrong because of this single Ukrainian victory.” Bitch, I’m looking at this long term and not in the short term like many of you are. The first hard freeze still has not hit. Expect for things to radically change on the ground negatively for both the Ukrainians and the Russians once that happens.
This post was edited on 10/30/22 at 6:53 pm
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 6:58 pm to
Kyiv, Ankara and the UN agreed on the movement of 14 ships in the Black Sea on Monday as part of the “Black Sea Initiative”, Russia was notified. This is reported by the coordinating center.

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1586814043691491333

WASHINGTON, Oct 30 (Reuters) - The United Nations, Turkey and Ukraine agreed on Sunday on an Oct. 31 movement plan for 16 vessels that are in Turkish waters, a day after Russia suspended its participation to the Black Sea grain initiative that allowed food exports from Ukrainian ports.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/un-says-agreed-with-turkey-ukraine-plan-move-14-vessels-under-black-sea-grain-2022-10-30/
This post was edited on 10/30/22 at 7:00 pm
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 7:07 pm to
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These soldiers must have raised in trash filled homes by trashy parents.


This is one of the pics Denys Davydov shared of a city called Omsk in Russia where a lot of conscripts were taken for the war. He said that someone dropped a dirty bomb on Omsk and that it’s always like this.

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15773 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 7:08 pm to
I learned from a Persian biz friend last week that the Ukrainian sunflower oil seed crushing plants are almost all owned by Turkish companies. Grain and seed oil trade is internationally controlled by a handful of companies. Everyone else is a supplier to load ships. It's been that way for easily a century with a couple of older players dropping out in the last few decades and a couple of new ones taking their places
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15773 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 7:10 pm to
Kentucker, that is as bad as Haiti
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61723 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 7:11 pm to
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OMLandshark


Oh shut the frickup.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30526 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 7:14 pm to
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Can they depress far enough,esp close-in?

I have no idea



The Phalanx has a surface mode for intercepting FIACs (fast inshore attack craft) so it is designed for the job already. I think the maximum negative inclination is close to 30 degrees. I imagine the biggest issue would be target acquisition considering the ones Ukraine is using get their power from an electric motor and have IR insulation.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 7:17 pm to
Russia conscripts only their poorest and least educated young men. They live in filth and deprivation as they grow up. Regrettably, they are apparently the majority class in Russia, ruled by the elite.

The more we learn about Russia because of this invasion, the more like a third-world country they seem.
This post was edited on 10/30/22 at 7:20 pm
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