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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:04 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:04 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Think about what TD would be without moderation. Would you come here? I probably wouldn't. It would become like 4-chan, and eventually we'd see Chicken hauled before Congress. 
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Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:11 pm to JayDeerTay84
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The US/West is outspending Russia by multiples. Its not even a question.
As a % of GDP, as a % of conventional military equipment, and as a % of military spending its not close.
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Further, AFU's tactics are losing more troops than Russia.
Source please?
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Its a disaster alright, just not in the way you want it to be.
Ukraine is losing yes, they were attacked and are being forced to put op s very costly defense. Disastrous fir Ukraine? Certainly
But it most certainly is a disaster for Russia.
Their minimal gains can’t nearly overcome their losses in men, materials, rubles or credibility.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:11 pm to AbuTheMonkey
The Russobots don’t use links. They’re paid to just throw shite at the wall and hope some of it sticks.
Problem for them is that they get diarrhea of the mouth, like OML, so they effectively say nothing with a lot of words.
Problem for them is that they get diarrhea of the mouth, like OML, so they effectively say nothing with a lot of words.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:17 pm to doubleb
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As a % of GDP, as a % of conventional military equipment, and as a % of military spending its not close.
Nice cope and moving of goal-posts. Russia is draining just as much of Western/NATO equipment as the West is draining Russia. In fact, if any of you were honest, its more of a black eye on the West/NATO as the Theme is Russia is soooo bad at this yet all this money and advanced equipment is just getting burnt up......
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But it most certainly is a disaster for Russia.
Last I checked the lights are on in Russia. Not so much for Ukraine....
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or credibility.
You think they give a shite? You should be more concerned about Potato Joe than anything to do with Russia.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:27 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Nice cope and moving of goal-posts. Russia is draining just as much of Western/NATO equipment as the West is draining Russia. In fact, if any of you were honest, its more of a black eye on the West/NATO as the Theme is Russia is soooo bad at this yet all this money and advanced equipment is just getting burnt up......
We just have to agree to disagree. Western technology and aid has proven to be a difference maker. A small nation has stymied a super power bent on conquest.
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Last I checked the lights are on in Russia. Not so much for Ukraine....
If winning is defined by keeping the lights on then Russia is winning, but I doubt in February Putin would define a win that way.
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You think they give a shite? You should be more concerned about Potato Joe than anything to do with Russia
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I just told you what I think and what many others think. And I can multi task. I can follow the Ukraine War and domestic politics at the same time.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:29 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Well this is false. Massively.
The US/West is outspending Russia by multiples.
Its not even a question.
Further, AFU's tactics are losing more troops than Russia.
Its a disaster alright, just not in the way you want it to be.
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Russia's central bank now forecasts that the $1.8 trillion economy will contract by 4%-6% in 2022, less than the 8%-10% contraction it forecast in April.
Let’s take that median and call it 5%, Russia is going to lose $90 billion in economic activity in an economy largely controlled by the govt so it’s hitting the govt harder. And that’s just the one year, they’re experiencing very lasting damages.
Reuters
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The invasion is now in its third month, and sustaining it requires approximately $900 million a day, Sean Spoonts, editor-in-chief of SOFREP, a media outlet focused on military news, told Newsweek.
Several factors play into that heavy price, according to SOFREP's estimate. That includes paying the Russian soldiers who are fighting in Ukraine; providing them with munitions, bullets and rockets; and the cost to repair lost or damaged military equipment. Russia also must pay for the thousands of critical weapons and cruise missiles that have been used during the war, which run about $1.5 million apiece, according to Spoonts.
Since we’re on day 246 of the war, that estimates they’ve spent about $221.4 Billion on this war so far.
Newsweek
You are false. Massively.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:30 pm to doubleb
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We just have to agree to disagree. Western technology and aid has proven to be a difference maker. A small nation has stymied a super power bent on conquest.
Its just not reality though. Russia only committed a fraction of their manpower here and used most of the men via proxy via LPR, DPR...
Most of the initial force of Russia's 150K men did NOT do the heavy lifting and remained relatively in tact.
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If winning is defined by keeping the lights on then Russia is winning, but I doubt in February Putin would define a win that way.
Well It certainly isn't a disaster as so many of you claim. You guys think you know the Russian people but you are far off base.
quote:So then you agree our government blaming our woes on Russia is nonsense then right?
I can follow the Ukraine War and domestic politics at the same time.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:32 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Nice cope and moving of goal-posts. Russia is draining just as much of Western/NATO equipment as the West is draining Russia. In fact, if any of you were honest, its more of a black eye on the West/NATO as the Theme is Russia is soooo bad at this yet all this money and advanced equipment is just getting burnt up......
You mean the masses of munitions and equipment we’ve sent that is advanced to Russias arse-backwards military, but is generations older within our own that came from storage because it had already been replaced on the battlefield?
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:32 pm to JayDeerTay84
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But it most certainly is a disaster for Russia.
Last I checked the lights are on in Russia. Not so much for Ukraine....
This is very likely due to limits the US and NATO has put on Ukraine with how they use the weaponry we have provided. Not because Ukraine couldn't or wouldn't reciprocate with great effect...
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:33 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:How much did the sinking of the Moskva cost Russia? That alone was a huge dent.
Well this is false. Massively.
The US/West is outspending Russia by multiples. Its not even a question.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:33 pm to doubleb
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We just have to agree to disagree.
You don't have to agree to disagree. Using per capita measurements when comparing data sets with different variables is common statistical knowledge. He has has no understanding of data analytics (or he does and has no retort) so he labels your reply "moving the goal posts".
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:37 pm to mmcgrath
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How much did the sinking of the Moskva cost Russia? That alone was a huge dent.
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Ukraine dealt a major blow to Russia in April with the sinking of the Moskva, a Russian warship and the navy's flagship. It was an estimated $750 million loss, according to Forbes Ukraine.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:38 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:lmao
Russia is draining just as much of Western/NATO equipment as the West is draining Russia. In fact, if any of you were honest, its more of a black eye on the West/NATO as the Theme is Russia is soooo bad at this yet all this money and advanced equipment is just getting burnt up......
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:38 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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Further, AFU's tactics are losing more troops than Russia.
Link?
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Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:39 pm to facher08
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You don't have to agree to disagree. Using per capita measurements when comparing data sets with different variables is common statistical knowledge. He has has no understanding of data analytics (or he does and has no retort) so he labels your reply "moving the goal posts".
No I am clear. The US/West/Nato have given Ukraine in aid more than Russia spends in a year on its military by multiples.
Its cut and dry and that number increases constantly.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:40 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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Further, AFU's tactics are losing more troops than Russia.
Link?
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You mean like your guys twitter links claiming Russia losing over 300 aircraft?
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:41 pm to JayDeerTay84
Well, you are also wrong, so there’s that too.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:41 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Further, AFU's tactics are losing more troops than Russia.
Link?
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You mean like your guys twitter links claiming Russia losing over 300 aircraft?
You're the one making the claim, homeslice. I suggest you back that up.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:44 pm to JayDeerTay84
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No I am clear. The US/West/Nato have given Ukraine in aid more than Russia spends in a year on its military by multiples
If you actually care to research this, it's almost always given as a percent of GDP not actual dollars. NATO commitments are a percent of GDP not dollars for example. A $1 trillion economy can supply $50B to something and not blink an eye whereas a $100B economy could not even come close to matching that. If they did, it would be seen as a massive investment not as a drop in the bucket. You have to take into account the economic size. Choosing to ignore that is either ignorance or just being a dumb arse
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:45 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Its just not reality though. Russia only committed a fraction of their manpower here and used most of the men via proxy via LPR, DPR... Most of the initial force of Russia's 150K men did NOT do the heavy lifting and remained relatively in tact.
That’s interesting. So all the grieving parents and widows are grieving for Russia’s second string. Reality is the first string is intact and waiting to pounce.
I will be watching for that.
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Well It certainly isn't a disaster as so many of you claim. You guys think you know the Russian people but you are far off base.
What the Russian people know, think or care about matters very little. They have little or no say so.
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So then you agree our government blaming our woes on Russia is nonsense then right?
We agree.
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