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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:05 pm to Highthoughts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:05 pm to Highthoughts
If Russia used battlefield nukes in Ukrainian NATO wouldn’t respond with nukes but they would mobilize and deal with Russia themselves at that point. NATO air power would be brought in to level Russian positions inside Ukraine.
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:06 pm to LSUPilot07
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Not at all. Just stating a fact. In a Russia vs USA conflict Russia would be wiped out in amazingly short order. No nukes needed. The United States Air Force would rain down hell on them.
The USA has jets so advanced they wont even acknowledge their existence.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:06 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Nah man, Im just trying to get a sense of where the board is at. I’m getting the feeling that the majority of this thread would support overt US military action against Russia as opposed to only supplying Ukraine with weapons.
In what situation? Where Russia would use nukes in Ukraine? That's going to provoke a Western response regardless. The arguments laid out here suggest that if Russia's security concerns aren't held above the security concerns of other nations, then that risks WWIII, which is nonsensical. At the very least, such a situation would obviously obliterate Russian security concerns, along with everything else.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:06 pm to crazy4lsu
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They are available as a deterrence strategy.
So ummm, the narrative here is what exactly? Because the media and US government seem pretty keen on pushing Russia to “deterrence”.
Hell, this thread openly calls for it.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:07 pm to OMLandshark
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Oh yeah?
Hey can we talk about your supposed escalation statement or are you going to continually run away from that?
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:08 pm to JayDeerTay84
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So ummm, the narrative here is what exactly? Because the media and US government seem pretty keen on pushing Russia to “deterrence”.
You said that Russia threatens to use nukes because 'that is what they are there for.' I was responding to the suggestion that 'that is what they are there for' by stating the reason for their existence is as a deterrence strategy. I have no idea what the hell you are talking about otherwise.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:09 pm to crazy4lsu
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Hey can we talk about your supposed escalation statement or are you going to continually run away from that?
What escalation statement?
EDIT: You mean me saying blowing up the bridge in Crimea being a major escalation? Yeah I stand by that. Maybe there were a few more missile strikes I was not aware of in August, but I look at the bridge to Crimea as a worse escalation than the missiles going to Liev regardless.
And again, much of my predictions have more to do with the harvest and energy shortages, so we haven’t quite made it there yet even by my own projections. Accuse me of this, but I need a full on winter to hit for my projections to come true, and we’re still right on trajectory. I hope I’m wrong.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:11 pm to JayDeerTay84
How have Russia’s “smart weapons” fared so far in Ukraine with how precise thy can hit targets? Not too well. This is what I mean when I say ours are better. Russia has more but many are Soviet era. Our shite hits what and where it is intended to. And never said anything about Russia not existing, just it’s military and leadership. Using nukes would be a deal breaker from the western world. Putin would have to go one way or the other. He can’t fire nukes by himself either like many people think he can just hit the button on his desk or some stupid shite.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:11 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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That has zero to do with the post he replied to. The poster he replied to said “one nation cannot dictate the dealings of another nation.”
Clearly the United States is the hands down world champ at dictating the dealings of other nations through force. It’s really not even debatable.
I've said this so many times at this point. We live in a unipolar world where the explicit US strategy has been to ensure there are no other superpowers. I'd love to live in a world where countries do not meddle in one another's affairs, but that world has never existed and won't suddenly exist if the US disappeared. Again, in geopolitics, either you are the one making the rules or being forced to live by someone else's.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:11 pm to crazy4lsu
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In what situation?
Current situation as is. That’s what I’m wondering.
I personally have no favorite in this war to be honest. I mean I guess yay Ukraine because I grew up watching Red Dawn and Rocky IV. But if the Russians takeover all of Ukraine it’s really not going to affect my life in any real sense and I’ll sleep just fine at night. If Ukraine drives all the way to Moscow raping and pillaging all the way I’ll still go to sleep at night and go to work the next day. The main reason I follow is purely because I did 20 years in the military and still deploy as a civilian contractor on a regular basis so I’m just naturally interested in a major land war in Europe.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:11 pm to OMLandshark
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What escalation statement?
Your statement that said that there weren't any missile strikes in Ukraine for 'many months' which was completely and utterly wrong, you dumb shite.
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And again, much of my predictions have more to do with the harvest and energy shortages, so we haven’t quite made it there yet even by my own projections. Accuse me of this, but I need a full on winter to hit for my projections to come true, and we’re still right on trajectory. I hope I’m wrong.
Lol. fricking liar. Always changing the goalposts.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:13 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Current situation as is. That’s what I’m wondering.
In the current situation, the US and the West has to be comfortable with using Ukraine as a proxy. The only possibility for a response is if nuclear weapons are used.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:14 pm to crazy4lsu
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Your statement that said that there weren't any missile strikes in Ukraine for 'many months' which was completely and utterly wrong, you dumb shite.
OK, I’m human. Doesn’t change the bridge being blown up.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:14 pm to crazy4lsu
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I've said this so many times at this point. We live in a unipolar world where the explicit US strategy has been to ensure there are no other superpowers. I'd love to live in a world where countries do not meddle in one another's affairs, but that world has never existed and won't suddenly exist if the US disappeared. Again, in geopolitics, either you are the one making the rules or being forced to live by someone else's.
Hey man I get it. I just wish more people would say what the really mean.
Instead of saying “Hey Russia you can’t go interfering in other country’s affairs with force.” they should say “Hey Russia only we can interfere in other country’s affairs” because that’s really what we all mean.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Instead of saying “Hey Russia you can’t go interfering in other country’s affairs with force.” they should say “Hey Russia only we can interfere in other country’s affairs” because that’s really what we all mean.
Which makes the “unprovoked invasion” narrative all the more comical.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:17 pm to OMLandshark
quote:that time you went off on how we were starting to go down the road of rounding up people of russian descent and detaining them in concentration camps
OK, I’m human
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:19 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Which makes the “unprovoked invasion” narrative all the more comical.
It was still unprovoked, unless you think that Russian security concerns are more significant than Ukraine's sovereignty. If that is what you mean, just go ahead and say it. It's better than dancing around, pretending like Russia was some innocent actor in Ukraine, simply minding their own business or something.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:19 pm to crazy4lsu
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You said that Russia threatens to use nukes because 'that is what they are there for.' I was responding to the suggestion that 'that is what they are there for' by stating the reason for their existence is as a deterrence strategy. I have no idea what the hell you are talking about otherwise.
Becaus what you posted is simply a view based narrative.
NATO is effectively fighting Russia. They could easily spin up a narrative that use of a tactical nuke on Kyiv is “deterrence”. The more the West keeps pushing this fight, the greater that risk becomes.
I don’t want to find out because for whatever shite people want to talk about Russia, there is a line.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:21 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:interesting how you arent saying this about russia
The more the West keeps pushing this fight, the greater that risk becomes.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:21 pm to crazy4lsu
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It was still unprovoked, unless you think that Russian security concerns are more significant than Ukraine's sovereignty. If that is what you mean, just go ahead and say it. It's better than dancing around, pretending like Russia was some innocent actor in Ukraine, simply minding their own business or something.
Hyperbole much?
Just because I acknowledge all the frickery going on in Ukraine doesn’t mean I think Russia “innocent”……
but certainly not “unprovoked. They had been warning for years.
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