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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:21 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:21 pm to OMLandshark
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OK, I’m human. Doesn’t change the bridge being blown up.
Lol. Brother, you've stated that you want to treat people who resist you as tantamount to genocidal maniacs, where you will harass them to no end if your idiotic predictions come to pass. I don't see much magnanimity in those statements, so I don't see why I should offer you the same. You based your whole escalation nonsense on a specific notion and then were proved wrong, which should call into question the escalation narrative to begin with. But you are the queen of the double-down.
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:24 pm to JayDeerTay84
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but certainly not “unprovoked. They had been warning for years.
And? Again, it isn't a surprise that literally every Eastern European state will do anything to avoid being in Russia's orbit again. This should cause some introspection among the Russians, but instead they'll blame some obscure cause or make up a reason post hoc.
No one has ever answered the question fully as to why Russia actually needs a buffer state. It makes no sense in the current state of geopolitics.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:26 pm to JayDeerTay84
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NATO is effectively fighting Russia. They could easily spin up a narrative that use of a tactical nuke on Kyiv is “deterrence”. The more the West keeps pushing this fight, the greater that risk becomes.
But it won't be deterrence. Russia knows that. No state would actually believe them. The consequences of the use of a nuclear weapon in offensive operations are going to be extremely severe.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:27 pm to crazy4lsu
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No one has ever answered the question fully as to why Russia actually needs a buffer state. It makes no sense in the current state of geopolitics.
My theory has always been that Putin is just bored and wants to play General like a kid in his treehouse moving little army men around.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:29 pm to crazy4lsu
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The consequences of the use of a nuclear weapon in offensive operations are going to be extremely severe.
What would they be? We MIGHT could get away destroying the Russian army in the field in Ukraine. If we start taking down their entire infrastructure, military and possibly political targets inside Russia proper I don’t see how that doesn’t end with Russia nuking the US and Europe.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:31 pm to crazy4lsu
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No one has ever answered the question fully as to why Russia actually needs a buffer state. It makes no sense in the current state of geopolitics.
So why expand NATO?
Answers itself huh?
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:36 pm to JayDeerTay84
it brings a 2nd question
if Russia is so desperate to keep countries from NATO, why do they harbor a relationship with these countries that drive them to want to be apart of NATO?
if Russia is so desperate to keep countries from NATO, why do they harbor a relationship with these countries that drive them to want to be apart of NATO?
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:39 pm to WestCoastAg
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Defence Secretary Ben Wallace is on a hastily-arranged visit to Washington to talk with his counterpart and White House officials about "shared security concerns" including Ukraine and Russia, a source and an official said.
The secretive, last-minute nature of the trip and a comment by a second defence minister, James Heappey - who said the conversations that Mr Wallace would be having on Tuesday were "beyond belief" - suggested particularly sensitive and serious issues would be discussed.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:40 pm to WestCoastAg
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if Russia is so desperate to keep countries from NATO, why do they harbor a relationship with these countries that drive them to want to be apart of NATO?
Or a 3rd.
Why did Clinton Shun Russia from joining the gang over in Europe?
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:44 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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My theory has always been that Putin is just bored and wants to play General like a kid in his treehouse moving little army men around.
Lol. I could buy that argument. Maybe he wants a captive market. I thin we should unleash the Turks and really go full 4x strategy game on him. Repeat the Crimean War but with a Turkish dude whose COD handle is DildoPasha leading the line.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:46 pm to JayDeerTay84
why did those countries jump at the opportunity to join NATO instead of working through some kind of reimagined warsaw pact?
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:47 pm to JayDeerTay84
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So why expand NATO?
Ask the post-Soviet states that, who spent a decade reorganizing their governments, economies and institutions in order to accede into NATO and the EU. We could also ask them why they were warning of Russian aggression before 2008.
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Answers itself huh?
It actually does answer itself, if you know the actual, detailed history. The Visegrad Group was formed before the end of the USSR. Why did those states want to join NATO and the EU immediately?
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:48 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Why did Clinton Shun Russia from joining the gang over in Europe?
Because joining the 'gang' required a complete reorientation of Russian civil and governmental institutions, which the Russian elite were fundamentally not willing to do. It's remarkable how all these narratives completely remove any agency at all from Russia.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:50 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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What would they be? We MIGHT could get away destroying the Russian army in the field in Ukraine. If we start taking down their entire infrastructure, military and possibly political targets inside Russia proper I don’t see how that doesn’t end with Russia nuking the US and Europe.
I could see the complete destruction inside Ukraine with some possible sensitive targets hit inside Russia that might embarrass the Kremlin. I could also see 2nd and 3rd order sanctions on countries still trading with Russia, like China and India. But if they use it, we would be entering into new territory.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:52 pm to crazy4lsu
ISW Update
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Russian forces continued to target critical Ukrainian civilian infrastructure with air, missile, and drone strikes on October 18
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Current and former US officials confirmed to the New York Times on October 18 that members of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) are in Russian-occupied Crimea to train Russian forces on how to use the Iranian drones they purchased, thereby enabling likely Russian war crimes.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin’s unequal implementation of partial mobilization is causing social fractures that are driving the Russian information space to further marginalize ethnic minority communities
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Belarus continues to provide its territory and airspace to support the Russian invasion of Ukraine but remains highly unlikely to enter the war on Russia’s behalf.
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Russian troops conducted a limited ground attack in northern Kharkiv Oblast on October 18, seemingly suggesting that Russian forces may retain territorial aspirations in Kharkiv Oblast despite massive losses during recent Ukrainian counteroffensives
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Key Takeaways
Russian forces continued to target critical Ukrainian civilian infrastructure with air, missile, and drone strikes.
Russian troops conducted a limited ground attack in northern Kharkiv Oblast, seemingly suggesting that Russian forces may retain territorial aspirations in Kharkiv Oblast despite massive losses during recent Ukrainian counteroffensives.
Current and former US officials confirmed that members of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) are in Russian-occupied Crimea to train Russian forces on how to use the Iranian drones they purchased, thereby enabling likely Russian war crimes.
Belarus continues to provide its territory and airspace to support the Russian invasion of Ukraine but remains highly unlikely to enter the war on Russia’s behalf.
Russian sources claimed that Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks in northeastern Kharkiv Oblast to regain lost positions.
Russian sources stated that Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations across the entire frontline in Kherson Oblast.
Ukrainian forces continued to target Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) and ammunition depots in central Kherson Oblast.
Russian forces continued ground attacks near Bakhmut and Avdiivka.
Russian authorities are struggling to cope with their reduced logistics capacity through Crimea following the attack on the Kerch Strait Bridge.
Russian occupation authorities kidnapped Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) personnel, likely to strengthen physical control over the ZNPP’s operations.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) confirmed that mobilization ended on October 17 in Moscow Oblast, and Russian civilians continue to express their dissatisfaction with Russian mobilization.
Russian occupation officials are attempting to incentivize Ukrainian citizens under Russian control in northern Kherson Oblast to flee to Russia as Ukrainian forces advance, and occupation authorities may increasingly force Ukrainian civilians to relocate further behind the frontlines or to Russia in the coming days.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:53 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I’m getting the feeling that the majority of this thread would support overt US military action against Russia as opposed to only supplying Ukraine with weapons.
Not really, maybe the proxy war has finally come back to bite Russia in the arse.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:54 pm to StormyMcMan
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Russian authorities are struggling to cope with their reduced logistics capacity through Crimea following the attack on the Kerch Strait Bridge.
I wanted to post the detail of this one as it's a point that's brought up routinely ITT...but it wasn't as much info as I was hoping for
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Russian authorities are struggling to cope with their reduced logistics capacity through Crimea following the Ukrainian attack on the Kerch Strait Bridge on October 8. Russian Deputy Prime Minister for Construction and Regional Development Marat Khusnullin stated on October 18 that authorities will complete dismantling the damaged spans of the Crimean bridge by the end of December 2022, indicating that Russian forces will likely have reduced logistics capabilities through Crimea for months.[32] Ukrainian sources shared footage of a large traffic jam in front of the Kerch Strait Bridge and claimed that one car passes through the inspection point every 40 minutes
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:04 pm to crazy4lsu
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The consequences of the use of a nuclear weapon in offensive operations are going to be extremely severe.
Use of any nuclear weapons will require the West to remove Russia’s nuclear ability immediately.
The West’s superiority in military technology extends to nuclear capabilities. The use of even a “tactical” nuke would be the most stupid thing any country has ever done.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:34 pm to Kentucker
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Use of any nuclear weapons will require the West to remove Russia’s nuclear ability immediately.
And this ends civilization as we know it.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:57 pm to Jim Rockford
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Defence Secretary Ben Wallace is on a hastily-arranged visit to Washington to talk with his counterpart and White House officials about "shared security concerns" including Ukraine and Russia, a source and an official said.
The secretive, last-minute nature of the trip and a comment by a second defence minister, James Heappey - who said the conversations that Mr Wallace would be having on Tuesday were "beyond belief"
My guess as to what this is about? My bet is that, in exchange for the help in their war against Ukraine, Russia is giving Iran key nuclear tech.
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