re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

I know for a fact from manufacturing clients that Trump's tariffs on China hurt their business a lot while making money for globalist multinationals. The indies are making generic out of patent products and multinationals make precursors which they only sell to themselves so getting back market share.

All of these indies supported Trump in 2016 but NOT in 2020.

Edit - Also his tariffs cost drilling contractors more money since drill pipe is made in China.

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We're talking about the the Russians here so...

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Even Putin's not that dumb. A push toward Lviv would easily have their only lane of retreat cut off from the north. Not to mention that group would be operating dangerously close to the border with Poland, who seems to be fully prepared to roll out in the case of an incursion, and who has article V protection.

Just canceled my trip to Ukraine. I was supposed to leave tomorrow.

It's not that I'm scared of these Iranian drones so much as air raid sirens going off all day and all night are going to make it pretty much impossible to do much of anything there.

Also, I just had a key employee come down sick, which would make it really problematic to be gone for this week.

Disappointed.

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Just canceled my trip to Ukraine. I was supposed to leave tomorrow.

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Were you going to join the front lines?

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What I take from that headline is the media trying to deflect from its own incompetence. When the media was backing up Obama and laughing at Romney warning about Russia they were wrong. When they hated Trump and he was the only one actually standing up to Putin in any real and quantitative sense by opposing Nord Stream and actually giving lethal aid to Ukraine they were wrong. The media opposes Musk because he calls them out and somehow try to portray him as weak on Russia when in fact he has done more to help Ukraine in a tangible way than any one single individual with free high speed internet from Starlink, which is beyond any shadow of a doubt helping to kill as many Russians as HIMARS is.

TLDR, the media and the left are almost as a rule, wrong in all of their opinions and assessments. It’s simply a group of incompetent people that should be laughed at and looked down upon as second class citizens every chance we get.

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how the frick did this get downvoted? its pretty much facts and not even opinion.

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Yea, his propensity to call people genocial warmongers when they dont 100% agree with everything he says is kinda shitty

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dude i dont like his take about 90% of the time either, but i dont want to have him banned or banned from this thread.

if you do, you are a fricking pussy.

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A few pages back citizenk and JayDeerTay84 were sharing info from the same site "business source". JayDeerTay84 pointed out how citizenk embellished the info a great deal. JayDeerTay84 asked citizenk to link where the same source they were using said what citizenk posted and of course he never linked it.

Now today here he is saying Trump called Jews ingrates.

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citizenk is a douche. he is the opposite of OML. both are pretty much wrong on the WHYs on almost everythign they post.

CitizenK reminds me of the Pawn Stars guys, he has a buddy in everything related to Ukraine

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how the frick did this get downvoted? its pretty much facts and not even opinion.

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Generally speaking when someone couches every phrase with "is wrong", "is right", "they hated", etc... That's an opinion not fact. You may perceive it that was, and OP may as well, but that's your opinion, not a fact.

My opinion:
Trump would make a bad negotiator as he's not perceived as neutral. Ukraine simply doesn't trust him (remember the quid pro quo (Javelin's for political dirt), and he's on record praising Putin. Not to mention his core base has this war as some sort of Democrat grifting scheme.

Musk would not make a good negotiator because he's quite honestly a little crazy. Don't get me wrong, it does him well in business, but when you are negotiating peace, you want a steady hand at the helm, not someone who's going to swing wildly one way or the other. Posting a "voting pattern" from an election a decade ago didn't do him any favors either.

At this point Russia is perceived to be on it's heels, and rightly so. There was a big opportunity for a peaceful negotiation back when Russia pulled out of Kyiv, but Russia thought it could still win by shifting it's forces east and pushing from there and the south.

Now the momentum has shifted to Ukraine who is taking to take as much land back as possible before Russia is able to reinforce it's failing positions, so a ceasefire at this point only really benefits 1 party (e.g. it will never happen).

When/if the front lines stabilize again, that will be the point when a negotiated settlement can potentially be reached.

They need a neutral party (or relatively so) in order to negotiate. The closest you really got there is Turkey.

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Trump would make a bad negotiator as he's not perceived as neutral. Ukraine simply doesn't trust him (remember the quid pro quo (Javelin's for political dirt), and he's on record praising Putin. Not to mention his core base has this war as some sort of Democrat grifting scheme.

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and i agree with parts of this too, mainly not seen as neutral. but at the time Trump was the only one really standing up to Putin. Pretty much a fact. did he talk good of putin, yes but, doesnt mean he didnt stand up to him. Trump worked on the theory of....we tried one way for a long time and it wasnt working, lets try another way which is a logical way of thinking about things.

as fara s the quid pro quo....thats absolute frickign horse shite. trying to root out corruption in a country you are giving weapons too is exactly what i want my president doing, especially when the corruption involves americans and more specifically american politicians.

I voted for trump 2x but didnt vote for him in the Primary and i have voiced my concerns with trump in the past and I am anything but a trumper as i have libertarian principles that i do not veer away from no matter how much i like or dislike a candidate.......but your first sentence is abosolutly filled with half truths.

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Musk would not make a good negotiator because he's quite honestly a little crazy. Don't get me wrong, it does him well in business, but when you are negotiating peace, you want a steady hand at the helm, not someone who's going to swing wildly one way or the other. Posting a "voting pattern" from an election a decade ago didn't do him any favors either

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musk has no business being a negotiator period.

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At this point Russia is perceived to be on it's heels, and rightly so. There was a big opportunity for a peaceful negotiation back when Russia pulled out of Kyiv, but Russia thought it could still win by shifting it's forces east and pushing from there and the south.

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agreed

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Now the momentum has shifted to Ukraine who is taking to take as much land back as possible before Russia is able to reinforce it's failing positions, so a ceasefire at this point only really benefits 1 party (e.g. it will never happen).

When/if the front lines stabilize again, that will be the point when a negotiated settlement can potentially be reached.

They need a neutral party (or relatively so) in order to negotiate. The closest you really got there is Turkey.

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i agree with that.

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stout

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You used to seem so normal and we would agree on a lot. Now you are such an a-hole.

Seriously, I'm amazed at your transformation.