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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:32 am to stout
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:32 am to stout
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So you are cool with sending billions to Ukrain. $66 billion so far where only a 3rd of that is actually making it to its intended use but mad at Musk for not wanting SpaceX to lose $20 million per month? Can you please help me understand your rationale for this other than "Musk is mean"?
Musk is grandstanding. I think he’s got a little Donald Ttump in his DNA.
But it’s his deal and if he can’t afford to give it away, he has every right to make Ukraine pay, however, let’s cut out the drama.
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Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:33 am to crazy4lsu
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First, where are those posts celebrating Zelensky's comments?
I dont save posts and am not going to go searching all over here and the PT for them but there were people here in full support of it. I know because I made some threads about it and supportes came in to defend Zelensky
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Second, Russia have themselves shown an inability to deal with the modern battlefield. Before the war, people thought that Russia was a near-peer adversary to the US. It is obvious that they are not.
I agree with you here to a degree. I think had they knocked out all infrastructure quicker, and the US had not sent modern weapons to Ukraine bother under Trump a few years ago and currently then this would have been over quickly.
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That also doesn't mean that they are an armed forces stuck in the 1700s or somehow invading Russia and 'taking over their resources' is some easy task.
I was being a bit facetious but do you think if we nuked any part of Russia that they would not be ripe for takeover?
If they are as weak as you guys suggest, and Putin has lost a lot of support as you guys suggest when you all have called for regime change, then wouldn't that make at least a large part of the country prime and open to takeover and change?
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:33 am to stout
If Putin invades France or Germany I am going to turn into a Putin baw.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:33 am to lsu777
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people like you piss me the frick off, guy gives out the goodness of his heart and says ok, thats enough, but suddenly he is an a-hole because he didnt say the things you liked on twitter.
If you promised your child that you will pay their college tuition, and then you cut them off after a year and say that someone else now has to pay, then you would be a piece of shite parent, not someone who had done something out of the goodness of his heart who can't do it anymore.
Musk is worth over $200 billion. This money is nothing to him. It's all about his ego.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:34 am to stout
quote:Very generous of him. I don’t have a problem with him seeking compensation.
It has cost him and SpaceX $120 million by the year's end to provide them the terminals and allow them to use it
quote:yeah, he is clearly being an a-hole on Twitter
but yea he is an a-hole.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:34 am to lsu777
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lsu777
Like most things today, people are too emotionally invested on their take of this war and cannot look at things objectively. From the people saying "frick elon" for not wanting to provide 100's of millions in free services to the people saying they hope Ukraine loses just because they don't think we should be involved in the war.
It is reasonable to think we shouldn't be involved and shouldn't be sending weapons/money. It is reasonable to think we shouldn't let Russia invade other countries and do what they want. If people could look for reasoning in someone else's views, we'd all be a lot better off.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:34 am to stout
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You guys keep telling me Russia's army is so inferior that they are basically like a 1700s army so which is it?
Take away the nukes and their army isn’t near what it was when they invaded Poland.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:35 am to stout
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SpaceX should not be expected to carry that burden.
How much ‘burden’ is the American tax payer carrying to prop up SpaceX in the first place?
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:35 am to lsu777
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almost all of the money spent is equipment.
I think only half of the money is for equipment last I read. Still billions unaccounted for both in cash and stolen weapons that have come up for sale on the black market.
Besides, the real money grift AKA laundering is in the rebuilding. There will be billions and billions lost when that happens.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:36 am to lsu777
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Though Musk has received widespread acclaim and thanks for responding to requests for Starlink service to Ukraine right as the war was starting, in reality, the vast majority of the 20,000 terminals have received full or partial funding from outside sources, including the US government, the UK and Poland, according to the SpaceX letter to the Pentagon.
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Early US support for Starlink came via the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) which according to the Washington Post spent roughly $3 million on hardware and services in Ukraine. The largest single contributor of terminals, according to the newly obtained documents, is Poland with payment for almost 9,000 individual terminals.
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The far more expensive part, however, is the ongoing connectivity. SpaceX says it has paid for about 70% of the service provided to Ukraine and claims to have offered that highest level -- $4,500 a month -- to all terminals in Ukraine despite the majority only having signed on for the cheaper $500 per month service.
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That's just 1.3% of the service rate SpaceX says it needs the Pentagon to start paying.
"You could say he's trying to get money from the government or just trying to say 'I don't want to be part of this anymore,'" said the person familiar with Ukraine's requests for Starlink.
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Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:38 am to lsu777
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we both know ukraine is corrupt as frick and has been for 3 decades now, but we arent sending over globs of cash.
I was assured a few days back by a big time Putin baw that the majority of the equipment that we have sent wound up on the black market.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:38 am to stout
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To be fair, I call everyone idiots that cheer for either side of this war.
I have said from day one that there should be zero outside interference and the best we can hope for is that both sides lose.
both sides will lose no matter who wins
you should never pull for a country who invades another for no reason.
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I think anyone OK with sending Ukraine money should be ridiculed. I also think anyone that thinks Russia was going to escelate this beyong Ukraine and is using that as an excuse to support Ukraine is stupid. Russia is not 1949 Germany and Putin is not Hitler 2.0
im not for sending money, but i am ok with sending equipment so long as its older tech. well let me rephrase that, i am accepting of it. i dont like it as i said from the start this was a european war and the burden should be put on europe, but i have come to accept that wont happen.
2nd a weak russia is good for us and a defeat here sends huge message to china to sit the frick down
and you are wrong about not escalating beyond ukraine. why do you ignore putins own words? he has said multiple times the biggest mistake his country ever made was allowing the russian dynasty to be broken up and the 2nd was allowing the Soviet union to be broken up. he has said that ukraine was the birthplace of russia(slavic) culture, kiev in particular, and that it would be taken because it was rightfully Russias. wtf makes you think he is gonna change his mind if he had rolled ukraine?
why do you ignore that this is a genocide? they have stated on telegram multiple times that if you do not join them they will kill every last ukraine
before this i was very much against giving ukraine shite, because they were not even spending 3% of gdp on the military(same reason i am against giving taiwan shite). the ukes showed that they had the will to fight and even defeat russia with a little help. at that point(if you are for america having lots of influence abroad, I'M not) to say hey, we should help them as we have a chance to bring down our 2nd biggest politcal foe. so it makes sense.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:38 am to lowspark12
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How much ‘burden’ is the American tax payer carrying to prop up SpaceX in the first place?
IDK but if you don't like it then call your Rep and tell them to stop it.
I don't like it either but remember when Trump was called out for taking tax write-offs to lower his burden? What was his answer? If you don't like it then end it. Don't be mad at Musk for taking advantage of our stupid Government handouts and at least creating something (thousand of jobs for one) with them unlike most that take handouts.
Instead, get mad and call your Congressman or vote them out.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:39 am to AU86
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that the majority of the equipment that we have sent wound up on the black market.
A ton of it has. You're trying to make a silly argument by saying the "majority" but the fact is that a lot of the weapons are for sale on the black market
This post was edited on 10/14/22 at 8:41 am
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:39 am to AU86
quote:But also Ukraine would immediately fall without US equipment that is not making it to the battlefield because it’s all on the black market and siphoned off.
the majority of the equipment that we have sent wound up on the black market.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:40 am to doubleb
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Take away the nukes and their army isn’t near what it was when they invaded Poland.
Yeah honestly this past year was kind of revealing. I don't think the Russians could take a modern European army.
But what's the end game here? Are we going to prop up Ukraine enough to keep the war going on for years in hopes that it bankrupts Russia?
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:41 am to lsu777
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you should never pull for a country who invades another for no reason.
This is a distortion of reality.
You may not like their reason, may disagree with it, but they certainly did not wake up and just invade.
It is thoughts like this that lead to mass destruction and a fundamental lack of understanding of ones own enemy.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:41 am to GOP_Tiger
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OK, what I wrote was wrong. I should have said that no one in the US government asked Musk to give Starlink. We are now the ones being asked to pay for what he said was a gift.
ok fine it was a gift...is the gift forever?
so he should have to pay forever? he gave a 120 million dollar gift so far.....why the frick is a dick or grandstander or anything of the sorts for saying...ok enough is enough?
if we want to support ukraine then year, we should pay for it or ukraine should, certianly as a private citizen and a private company, Musk has the right to say...ok thats enough charity for now. Certainly that doesnt make him a dick.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:41 am to stout
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that the majority of the equipment that we have sent wound up on the black market.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 8:41 am to stout
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IDK but if you don't like it then call your Rep and tell them to stop it.
So call my grifter politician who’s laundering NWO money through Kyiv to support bio labs?
Good call, genius.
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