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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:54 am to SlimTigerSlap
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:54 am to SlimTigerSlap
Russia using S-300 missile system to strike a highway full of civilians evacuating
These people are fricking cavemen
These people are fricking cavemen
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:54 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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So, just a wild guess here without reading the last month of this thread-Y’all believe Russia blew up its own pipeline because the US government told you so?
Has the US government said it was Russia?
Personally - I believe it was Russia and I think Putin did it for much the same reason Cortez scuttled his ships on the shores of Mexico. There will be no steps backward. Blowing the pipeline sends a signal to anyone in Russia contemplating a regime change and quick return to normalcy.
Secondarily, it communicates to the west we really are crazy and will do anything to inflict damage even if it causes is pain.
But who knows - I certainly do not.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:55 am to Bronc
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I guess your name says it all
You didn't read very carefully, then.
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I like how you decided to go back 40 years
It useful to point out similarities, yes.
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instead of your own party that embodies every one of those talking points.
There are certainly elements of the GOP that do that, and part of what I am doing is calling them out. When Tucker rushes to blame America (without any evidence) for the Nordstream sabotage, that's anti-American.
It used to be the Left that claimed that America was evil and it wouldn't be a good country until all the racism was purged out of it, etc. Now, one hears that language increasingly from the Right.
There's a big difference between that kind of anti-Americanism and the patriotism that loves our nation while still working towards making it an even better place than it already is.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:55 am to SlimTigerSlap
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Did you read the article you posted? Ukrainians pretend to be Russian because Russians bully Ukrainians.
There is always an answer for everything
Lets ignore that this was a known thing in 2012
Lets ignore that they acted on this in 2014
Lets ignore that Ukraine cut off the payment system to Donbas in 2015 that led to this all
Lets just ignore the historical record of facts.
No one was ever Russian. Nothing to see here.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:57 am to Bronc
I respect your opinion because you seem like a smart guy, but I think you’re a boomer who’s living in the 80s. Russia obviously is not communist and hasn’t been since Ukraine and Russia were the same country. Not that I admire the Russian form of government which is obviously a joke. But I respect russias sovereignty and the fact that it has its own national security interests and I know of no good reason why anyone shouldn’t. And the idea that the USA as currently configured is a paragon of classical liberal values and freedom is pure propaganda.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:00 am to Caraway Rye
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There is always an answer for everything
Lets ignore that this was a known thing in 2012
Lets ignore that they acted on this in 2014
Lets ignore that Ukraine cut off the payment system to Donbas in 2015 that led to this all
Lets just ignore the historical record of facts.
No one was ever Russian. Nothing to see here.
You mean like you ignore the fact that the first graph you posted came from a study that showed Ukrainians overwhelmingly wanted to stay one country?
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:01 am to BrianKellyRespecter
I’ll save you, who I am 100% positive supported the Iraq war, the trouble of having to laughably say the following: “a country can’t invade another country based on its stated but very dubious national security interests! It’s a violation of muh international law!”
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:02 am to Bronc
Take your leftist Bolshevik shite to the poliboard.
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 9:04 am
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:03 am to BrianKellyRespecter
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Where is the lie?
Meanwhile, all the handwringing over communists and we have actual Putin propaganda fanboys in America, year of our lord 2022
Seriously, does it take effort to be this dumb? Even most of Russia knows Putin is full of shite and talking out his arse/bloviating, but you, in America, a country not subjected to parroting Russian propaganda(for the most part) with the threat of death, willingly embrace this shite?
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:03 am to BrianKellyRespecter
you are hitting every single talking point lmao
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:05 am to GOP_Tiger
From Wagner:
Just flat-out saying what we already knew, which is that Putin doomed hundreds and maybe thousands of Russian soldiers to their deaths in Lyman, simply because he wouldn't allow a Russian retreat from Lyman to ruin the "triumphant" day of his speech and the "annexation" of Ukrainian territory.
More and more Russians are gradually figuring these things out. Eventually, some in the Russian military are going to decide that they don't want to die for Putin.
Just flat-out saying what we already knew, which is that Putin doomed hundreds and maybe thousands of Russian soldiers to their deaths in Lyman, simply because he wouldn't allow a Russian retreat from Lyman to ruin the "triumphant" day of his speech and the "annexation" of Ukrainian territory.
More and more Russians are gradually figuring these things out. Eventually, some in the Russian military are going to decide that they don't want to die for Putin.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:05 am to StormyMcMan
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You mean like you ignore the fact that the first graph you posted came from a study that showed Ukrainians overwhelmingly wanted to stay one country?
The only graph I posted said that 67% of Eastern Ukraine thought Kyiv was shite
That is over the level of supermajority in the United States that could call a constitutional convention
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:11 am to GOP_Tiger
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It used to be the Left that claimed that America was evil and it wouldn't be a good country until all the racism was purged out of it, etc. Now, one hears that language increasingly from the Right. There's a big difference between that kind of anti-Americanism and the patriotism that loves our nation while still working towards making it an even better place than it already is.
I don’t know why you infer striving for equality and reducing prejudice as a negative though? That to me is the quintessential striving to make America better while respecting its ideals it rarely has lived up to.
But this is off topic, and I’m more concerned with the growing amount of Putin Stans and wannabe fascists growing in this country, which I don’t actually think you are or ever would be.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:13 am to BrianKellyRespecter
I personally inspected chem weapons agents manufacturing by Saddam near San Francisco which had yet to start up. I was there to assess the glass lined and nickel equipment. It is the same as for making herbicides, pesticides, specialty chemicals, pharmaceuticals, etc...
That was in 2002, and discovered because an Iraqi born R&D chemist came forward after 9/11. Saddam was holding his entire family hostage back in Iraq.
That was in 2002, and discovered because an Iraqi born R&D chemist came forward after 9/11. Saddam was holding his entire family hostage back in Iraq.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:13 am to BrianKellyRespecter
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I’ll save you, who I am 100% positive supported the Iraq war, the trouble of having to laughably say the following: “a country can’t invade another country based on its stated but very dubious national security interests! It’s a violation of muh international law!”
I can promise you that I didn’t
But I love the logic that because morons in America supported an unjust war that somehow you’ve decided to be a moron on behalf of Russian authoritarianism and support one on behalf of your boy Putin.
Do you even read or think through the shite you are writing???
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 9:14 am
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:13 am to BrianKellyRespecter
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I’ll save you, who I am 100% positive supported the Iraq war, the trouble of having to laughably say the following: “a country can’t invade another country based on its stated but very dubious national security interests! It’s a violation of muh international law!”
I 100% did not support the Iraq War, and one of my main guiding principles is being completely anti-war. But that invasion was more well-supported by UN resolutions than anything that Russia has done. And it still was a likely violation of international law, though I can't recall the specific arguments that suggested so at the time. The key difference is that the US didn't try to annex any territory and began the process of leaving as soon as the new government of Iraq asked us to leave. We even signed an agreement with their government, which was led by the Islamic Dawa Party, which is an openly Shia Islamist party that supported Iran, where it definitely wasn't in our direct interest to have that party in power.
As long as the details don't matter to you, you can make whatever silly equivocation you want and do so without any self-awareness.
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 9:36 am
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:14 am to Bronc
When does your shift end back in Moscow?
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:19 am to Bronc
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I like how you decided to go back 40 years to talk about some caricature of a group that holds zero power in American politics instead of your own party that embodies every one of those talking points. You know, the party that is actually banning the teaching of history in classrooms and banning books that don’t paint America with a false narrative
His characterization of 80’s communists is actually pretty spot on. I was active in civil rights politics at the time and could spot the shadowy American Communist Party folks a mile away when they would skulk around our events. We would keep an eye on them. They were absolutely advocating the destruction and “rebuilding” of America. They also seemed to have very shadowy sources of money.
Unfortunately, the “destroy America and rebuild” fantasy is now a prominent theme among some elements of the far right. It is on display every day on the PoliBoard. The actual number of right wing “destroy and rebuild” numbers are a little than the 80’s Communists, but they are nowhere near a majority.
So I guess I’m suggesting to you that neither comparison is completely incorrect. The destroy and rebuild advocates are always advocating against American interests. Their themes are echoed and amplified by nations that want to destroy America, like Russia. Once the “destroy” part happens, there won’t be any utopian rebuild on the other side.
Now back to the war.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:19 am to Bronc
Yeah my bad I meant those posts to be in response to GOP Tiger not your post. That’s on me. Iraq doesn’t justify russias invasion of Ukraine , obviously. Russias national security interests justified russias invasion of Ukraine, to Russia. Exactly like USA national security interests justified invasion of iraq, to USA. These are undeniable facts.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:20 am to CitizenK
What the frick are you talking about? There has not been a single moment in this entire conflict where you will ever see me arguing in defense of Putin or Moscow’s unjust imperialist bullshite
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