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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:55 am to
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:55 am to
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Feds trying to out people who share his groupthink.


That’s my theory.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16114 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:58 am to
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Lyman has fallen to invading AFU forces. Ukrainian sources reporting majority of Russians had withdrawn by today. Russia reestablishing lines to the east.


Close to half it only 1500 there, have assumed room temperature. Those trying to breakout left all of the weapons on the highway leading out and ran through the woods. Ukraine has already mined the road.

How were your several years spent in 6th grade?
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14897 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:05 am to
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Don’t understand what you mean? Liman is part of the Russian federation maybe you haven’t heard?


“Possession is 9/10th the law” comes to mind…..

But you have to be able to hold it to claim it’s yours. It’s already to “claim” it’s your when your troops occupy it. Some goes for the other side when they take it back.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478767 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:05 am to
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Unfortunately it appears the Ukrainian terrorists now illegally control the Lyman for the time being.

Nice
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:06 am to
Why do you hate democracy?
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:08 am to
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“Possession is 9/10th the law” comes to mind…..


Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8185 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:10 am to
Why do you hate yourself?
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:11 am to
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"Possession is 9/10th the law” comes to mind…..

But you have to be able to hold it to claim it’s yours.

But if you touch it while yelling "my germs", the previous owner may relinquish it voluntarily.

Just trying to give Brian some words of encouragement.
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:14 am to
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You obviously have not been paying attention. The people in eastern Ukraine did not identify as Russian before the invasion, and they do no identify as Russian now. If the people of eastern Ukraine identified as Russian then why did Russia have to send troops door to door to make people vote?



You sure about that

Or did you not know anything like most people here that missed everything going on for a decade.

2012

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the unprecedentedly fast assimilation of Ukrainians in Russia (see article “A demographic donor”). In the past two decades, the number of people who identify themselves as Ukrainians and their share in Russia’s population has dropped in half. An analysis of the 1989, 2002 and 2010 censuses shows that those who abandoned the foundations of their national identity, particularly their native language, are the first to turn into Russians.


https://ukrainianweek.com/Politics/41735
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:18 am to
https://ukrainianweek.com/Politics/41735

Did you read the article you posted? Ukrainians pretend to be Russian because Russians bully Ukrainians.
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 8:19 am
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8185 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:19 am to
2nd time in a row he’s owned himself
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:19 am to
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He just hates America.


I love America. I love the American people, who have nothing whatsoever to gain from supporting Ukraine in this idiotic proxy war. There Ukrainians themselves, by the way, are the greatest victims of this war which is only possible because we are funding it.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21029 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:22 am to
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Looks to me like retaking Severodonetsk from the NW is viable


One of the things that will be happening right now is that a repair car is going along the railroad from Izyum to Lyman, looking for any mines and fixing any damaged tracks. It should be complete by tonight.

So, tomorrow, Ukraine will have a direct rail connection from Kharkiv to Lyman, and trains full of new equipment and fresh troops will come to a new forward operating base there at Lyman to continue the push east. Those same trains will return to Kharkiv with damaged equipment (mostly Russian) for service and repair.

I think some Russians got out of Lyman, but a lot of them didn't. As I said earlier, I think this may have been the bloodiest day of the war. And even though it's likely that several times as many Russians died as Ukrainians, this kind of intense combat almost certainly means a number of Ukrainian casualties as well.

But I don't think that Russia got any heavy equipment out. They waited too late. I am going to guess that 100-200 tanks, artillery, big trucks, and other equipment was destroyed or taken by Ukrainian forces.

Lyman was clearly cooked several days ago, but Russia not only refused an orderly retreat, but actually sent reinforcements to Lyman ... and I think that means that they don't have much left to protect Svatove and Kreminna. I think that the improved Ukrainian logistics now mean that Ukraine can stay in Russia's operational shadow, continually hitting Russia before Russia has a chance to regroup and prepare any new defensive lines.

I don't know exactly how long it's going to take (maybe 2-4 weeks?), but I'm certain that Ukraine is now going to take Starobilsk and collapse Russian control over all of northern Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts.

The only real question is whether or not Russia will still have enough heavy weaponry to stop Ukraine at the Feb 23rd lines. Personally, I don't think so, as I think that the losses at Izyum and now at Lyman, and the future losses at Kreminna, Svatove, Lysychansk, and Severodonetsk will leave Russia without much of anything to use at that point.

By the way, the capture of Lyman doesn't only improve the Ukrainian logistics for this push further east. It also now provides a straight rail connection from Kharkiv all the way to Bakhmut. One of the reasons that Russia has had some success pushing westward there was that the Ukrainian logistical situation there was simply bad, and that's not true anymore.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8185 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:24 am to
Nice post
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150444 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:26 am to
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which is only possible because we are funding it.

i thought all of our funding wasnt even going to the war but literally straight to zelensky
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8185 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:28 am to
I disagree with you but I am wise enough to know I can’t change your mind so I am not going to waste the time to try.

I think this is the best return on $100b we have ever gotten.
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 8:29 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478767 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:28 am to
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but literally straight to zelensky

Then Hunter Biden
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21029 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:36 am to
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I love America.


I used to hear the same crap in the 80's from Communists.
"We love America -- we just hate our government." No, your kind only love an imagined America, one that's been "purified." You don't love the America that actually exists. You refuse to acknowledge that American government actually reflects, for the most part, the will of its people. So, you have to pretend that the country is actually controlled by some secret group, because you can't be honest to yourself that what you really want is to replace American government and transform America into the kind of country you want it to be.

But, no, you absolutely hate the America that actually exists. No one can cheer on Putin's evil and truly love America.

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There Ukrainians themselves, by the way, are the greatest victims of this war which is only possible because we are funding it.



Again, this is the same "give peace a chance" idiocy that I used to hear from honest Communists. But you're as dishonest as you are evil. Just admit that you're in favor of tyranny.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:44 am to
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"We love America -- we just hate our government."


You mean the literal creed of the entire Poli Board any time a Democrat is in office?

Including advocating and supporting domestic terrorism/insurrection after losing an election?

I guess your name says it all, but I like how you decided to go back 40 years to talk about some caricature of a group that holds zero power in American politics instead of your own party that embodies every one of those talking points. You know, the party that is actually banning the teaching of history in classrooms and banning books that don’t paint America with a false narrative

There’s a reason Tucker and Fox News skew on the side of authoritarians like Orban and Putin, and it’s not because they love America and believe in its ideals

Also, by the very structure of the constitution America does not reflect the will of its people. No country where a majority of the population can vote for the highest office and that candidate loses, or a majority of people in a state vote for one party and the opposite party gain a super majority despite that, claim they represent the will of the people.
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 8:55 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21029 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:46 am to
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Then Hunter Biden


It's perfectly possible to hold these two beliefs at the same time:

1) Hunter Biden was and is a scumbag, and the way that the liberal media covered for him to protect his father was predictable and depressing. Prior to the war, Hunter's involvement with Burisma was symbolic of the political corruption that was common in Ukraine.

2) Not one bit of that has any bearing on the fact that Ukraine is a friend of the US and NATO, and Russia's invasion has been a pure evil campaign of rape, murder, genocide, and tyranny. The reasons that the US Army has the weapons that it has is to fight exactly such Russian aggression. The only difference here is that, because Ukraine is not part of NATO, we are not ourselves actually fighting and dying in Ukraine, but can instead simply give Ukraine these weapons and let them destroy the Russian military. The monetary cost of this fight is nothing compared to the long-term savings that will result from a neutered Russia.
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