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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/27/22 at 10:55 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 9/27/22 at 10:55 am to OMLandshark
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I admittedly initially fell for the Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island, but then started thinking through the propaganda angle more.
I don't believe anything you write.
The Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island stuff was part of an obvious initial propaganda push to publicize to Ukrainian citizens and the world that the Ukrainians were going to stand and fight, not flee. Zelinsky staying in Kiev when the Russians were advancing on the city was part of the same, but it seemed like a suicide move at the time. These stories were intended to try to convince the Ukrainian people they they could actually stand up to Russia.
That was a very tough sell at the time. I certainly didn't believe it. I thought the Ukrainians would put up a tough fight but that it would just delay the inevitable and too many Ukrainians would die in the process.
I also had a hard time believing that the five-mile long convoy (or however long it was) of Russian armored vehicles heading toward Kiev stalled and was actually destroyed. But that actually happened. From a propaganda standpoint, repelling the advance on Kiev had the greatest value of all because it was real, and it showed that if they stood and fought, they could actually have success.
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 10:58 am to doubleb
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Oh yes that imaginary peace deal that Russian propaganda floated out there. That one??
It was a good deal. Ukraine disarms and Russia gets Crimea, Donetsk region, Zelensky's head on a pike, and a fat check every 1st and 15th of the month. Ukraine gets certified "Nazi Free" bumper stickers.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 10:59 am to TBoy
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:05 am to OMLandshark
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I admittedly initially fell for the Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island, but then started thinking through the propaganda angle more.
Okay.
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Please, y’all shoot the messenger anytime they bring you information you don’t like.
Brah, you are the major source of misinformation in this thread. You can't discern the impact of anything. You throw shite at a wall and don't care where you are completely wrong. Didn't you say that we would see massive civil unrest by this time period, or was that October?
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Ummmm, would you like for me to ship you a mirror?
Lol, I'm definitely more practiced than you in discerning the quality of sources. I have been following the Syrian conflict for 11 years now and because of how chaotic that conflict was, you had to learn how to be discerning. People disbelieved me when I said that in the future, the SCW would be the model of future conflicts, due to how information could be filtered and used, and now that sort of media literacy is standard. In addition, my humanities education thankfully taught me how to ask questions about sources, so much so that I can proportion belief to the evidence on hand. If you have actually read anything I've written, I've been extremely narrow in my claims, but alas, you will believe what you want. You can also post another retarded Jordan Peterson clip though.
At some point, you will levy your standard reply of "I'm sorry, but at the time ...etc." which should be more instructive for you. But self-awareness isn't your strong suit, since it is apparently okay for you to compare things to WWII but not others.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 11:11 am
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:19 am to crazy4lsu
Twitter thread discussing mobilization by Mark Hertling, the former commander of the US Army in Europe.
https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1574784017504804864
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/27/opinion/russia-mobilization-putin-war.html
https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1574784017504804864
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/27/opinion/russia-mobilization-putin-war.html
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Fascinating story. Russians "trapped" into serving in the military. A recommended read.
A discussion I heard compared the current Russian protest to what the US experienced during Vietnam.
And that's like comparing apples to tennis rackets!
US society (& young men) protested the Vietnam war because they believed it was immoral and most believed it was not in the national interest.
There is more to why RU men are refusing service:
1. Most haven't been trained (they served in RU army because they had to the choice was service or jail
2. They have no trust in RU's way of war.
3. These are not "reservist" as the US knows them. US reserves train with their units, have skills. RU have not, do not.
3. These men have seen RU's soldiers killed in droves in Ukraine.
4. RU recruits/soldiers know their officers & sergeants are corrupt & don't care. There is no trust in leaders.
5. Most RU recruits are afraid; while fear is common in all new soldiers, trust in leaders & comrades and in equipment/doctrine/the cause mitigates fear.
6. RU is employing "blocking units." Those are units that prevent desertion, shoot deserters. It takes the concept of "kill the enemy or be killed" to another level: "kill the enemy or be killed by either him or us."
7. Unprepared as individuals, not part of a team...
...lack of trust in leaders, no belief in a cause, little chance for survival, no support from citizens all contribute to failure.
Yeah, 300,000 mobilized. Premeditated murder of his own army by Putin.
More disaster.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:19 am to OMLandshark
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Please, y’all shoot the messenger anytime they bring you information you don’t like.
The problem is that you're not a messenger. You're a crazy loon who annoys everyone with your lack of global competency and basic literacy.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 11:20 am
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:21 am to Chromdome35
https://kyivindependent.com/national/hundreds-of-russian-vehicles-weapon-systems-seized-during-kharkiv-counterattack
Hundreds of Russian vehicles, weapon systems seized during Kharkiv counterattack
Hundreds of Russian vehicles, weapon systems seized during Kharkiv counterattack
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“That's certainly way more than whatever Ukraine has lost at this offensive,” said Kirill Mikhailov, an expert with the Russia investigative project, the Conflict Intelligence Team. “So finishing the offensive with a net positive of vehicles is like, wow.”
Russia being Ukraine’s top military donor is not just a meme. By sheer number of vehicles, Russia’s contribution is impressive. Since the large-scale invasion began, Ukraine has captured 392 Russian tanks, 178 armored fighting vehicles, 421 infantry fighting vehicles, and 400 trucks, vehicles, and jeeps, according to the open-source investigative project Oryx. Ukraine also got many different support, command, artillery, and anti-aircraft vehicles. Because Oryx only publishes visually confirmed data, those numbers may actually be higher.
The Kharkiv counteroffensive forms a significant percentage, with 563 vehicles reported captured in the country since Aug. 29. Click here to see a visual breakdown of all the equipment captured in this time period, compiled by data scientist Ragnar Gudmundsson.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:24 am to Chromdome35
Always a great recipe for battlefield success, sending tank crews with no training into the battle.
Video with Translation in link.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574721960281513990
Video with Translation in link.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574721960281513990
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Mobiks of the "elite" 1st Tank Regiment saying there will be absolutely no training for them ahead of them being sent to Kherson on the 29th.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:27 am to Chromdome35
Just interesting:
LINK
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Swedish Intelligence reports that late last night 3 Large Explosions were detected near the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline at the points where leaks have now been Claimed, the Pipelines Operator also reports that the pressure overnight dropped from 105 to 7 Bars.
LINK
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:29 am to Chromdome35
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Mobiks of the "elite" 1st Tank Regiment saying there will be absolutely no training for them ahead of them being sent to Kherson on the 29th.
How long until Russia sends their “elite” 350th tank regime to the front? That’s when the OT will get excited.
Shouldn’t be much longer at this rate? How many tanks make up a regiment?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:30 am to crazy4lsu
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Brah, you are the major source of misinformation in this thread. You can't discern the impact of anything. You throw shite at a wall and don't care where you are completely wrong. Didn't you say that we would see massive civil unrest by this time period, or was that October?
Not to mention his constant catastrophizing. If Blinkin was caught surfing the net on an Asus laptop, OML would call it provocation and warn of an imminent invasion of Taiwan by the Chinese.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:34 am to SlimTigerSlap
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This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:40 am to TigerDoc
there are valves on each end but filled to 300 bar or over 4,000 psig. all of the natural gas pipelines in the USA have been constructed to 1440 psig maximum allowable pressure as a standard. They all operated below 1200 psig
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:46 am to Chromdome35
i would add to that is we are observing far more resistance in Russia in just a week than we ever saw during Vietnam.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:52 am to doubleb
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Mobiks of the "elite" 1st Tank Regiment saying there will be absolutely no training for them ahead of them being sent to Kherson on the 29th.
How long until Russia sends their “elite” 350th tank regime to the front? That’s when the OT will get excited.
Shouldn’t be much longer at this rate? How many tanks make up a regiment?
About one hundred.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:57 am to SoonerK
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:00 pm to OMLandshark
quote:What makes him solid?
MartyrMade who is solid
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:04 pm to OMLandshark
Russia sabotaging the lines doesn’t make much sense… they need the lines active so they can blackmail Europe.
But it’s Russia so… doing something out of spite is certainly on the table.
But it’s Russia so… doing something out of spite is certainly on the table.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:04 pm to OMLandshark
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From blogger MartyrMade who is solid:
The guy is a moron and it is easy to understand your worldview because it is shaped by a whole host of knuckle-draggers.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:07 pm to OMLandshark
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Make no mistake, the attack on the Nordstream pipeline is a direct, unprovoked attack on Russia by the US. And before any shills start sputtering that it was provoked by the war in Ukraine, tell me how Russia & China would've been justified sabotaging US infrastructure over Iraq.
Hard to reconcile in my head, but the U.S. has the most to gain here. I'll stuff it down deep and refuse to believe.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 12:08 pm
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