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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/14/22 at 10:31 am to
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 10:31 am to
You are correct Cypher, that is the real Igor Girkin
Posted by Burhead
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:08 am to
Armenia invoked Article 4 of the CSTO charter today (mutual defense). Going to be interesting to see how Russia responds. Not doing anything will risk losing influence or acting to lightly and going to heavy risks upsetting Azerbaijan's allies in Turkey and Israel.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:10 am to
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Armenia invoked Article 4 of the CSTO charter today (mutual defense). Going to be interesting to see how Russia responds. Not doing anything will risk losing influence or acting to lightly and going to heavy risks upsetting Azerbaijan's allies in Turkey and Israel.



You just know Putin is thinking..."not this shite right now, I don't need this."
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:21 am to
This thread has had ample examples of those from the right side of the political spectrum who appear to side with Russia over Ukraine. This is the first article I've seen discussing this. This is from National Review a Conservative US media outlet.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/09/ukraine-and-the-right/
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In times past, Ukraine would have been a great cause of American conservatives. What about now?

An uncomfortable topic, for many of us. I mean, the one I have indicated in my heading: “Ukraine and the Right.” By “the Right,” I mean the American Right, i.e., the Republican Party, the conservative movement, etc.

Steve Bannon and his confreres speak of “Conservatism, Inc.,” or “Conservative, Inc.” I think they mean Reaganites and other fossils. Yet some of us think of Bannon et al. — Trump World — as Conservative, Inc. (though it is painful to cede the word “conservative” to the Bannonites).

Said Bannon, “Every member of Conservative, Inc., that backs this Ukraine war is a simp. Is a simp. It’s a disgrace.”
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:22 am to
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Armenia invoked Article 4 of the CSTO charter today (mutual defense). Going to be interesting to see how Russia responds. Not doing anything will risk losing influence or acting to lightly and going to heavy risks upsetting Azerbaijan's allies in Turkey and Israel.




When you invade another country and attempt to project power you better have the arse to back it up. Russia is weak and this is a prime opportunity for Turkey to assert real power in that region.

Top 2 winners in the Russian death spiral (self induced) are Poland and Turkey. Fun to watch.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:28 am to
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#BREAKING Shooting breaks out between Kyrgyz, Tajik border guards: Russian agencies


And that’s in addition to Armenia and Azerbaijan. Problems, problems everywhere for Putin
Posted by DabosDynasty
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:30 am to
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The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.


Rough day for the “credible sources” crowd that still think Russia is dominating.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:31 am to
Trump has shown support for Ukraine and condemned Russia's actions.

IMO, these are populists not conservatives. IMO, Conservative, Inc. are those who profited for years such as Kristol and others with speaking cruises, etc...

Bannon is all over the place in his stances. Remember that Trump fired him in a public way and trashed him for a few days on Twitter.

FTR, Cato Institute funded the fact finding mission proposed and by a friend of mine in visiting all of the nations where rebellions against Russia influence existed in the Americas, Africa and the Middle East. That fact finding mission was the foundation of "small wars" against Russia and a gathering of rebel leaders showed each that they were not alone. It took place in Africa. Then the Reagan admin began funding their fighting with weapons and ammo. The truth be known is that the CIA was more involved in shipping dollars and Reagan aides actually had the weapons delivered. Reagan had to fight the State Dept (and the CIA) during this internal struggle not seen by the public. The CIA catering to their longtime contacts who were mostly inactive and ineffective.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 11:36 am
Posted by mmcgrath
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:32 am to
Weren't there some ISIS style terrorist groups in Russia 20-30 years ago? Maybe they see an opportunity to form a new caliphate in Russia?
Posted by mmcgrath
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:33 am to
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Bannon is all over the place in his stances. Remember that Trump fired him in a public way and trashed him for a few days on Twitter.
Trump pardoned Bannon most recently.
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:36 am to
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Trump pardoned Bannon most recently.



And called Putin a "genius" for his approach to Ukraine.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:39 am to
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IMO, these are populists not conservatives


A lot of these characters are opportunists who jumped on the Trump train not because of conservative principles, but because Trump was a winner.

And then there are many who seem to think if it’s bad for Biden it’s good for them. Personally I don’t believe Putin would have invaded if Trump was re-elected and if he had Trump would have reacted much like Biden did.

And I’d wager most of the same people pulling for Russia now would be on Trump’s side.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:44 am to
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When you invade another country and attempt to project power you better have the arse to back it up. Russia is weak and this is a prime opportunity for Turkey to assert real power in that region. Top 2 winners in the Russian death spiral (self induced) are Poland and Turkey. Fun to watch.


I wonder if there have been any quiet discussions in Tbilisi or Chi?inau to go ahead and deal with the separatist areas of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Transnistria while Russia is down? Now would be the best time for those countries to act.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:52 am to
The Russians launched another round of missile attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure.

One of the targets was evidently the dam across the Ingulets River.

GPS Coordinates of the dam: 47.907, 33.286

I wonder what this will do to downstream pontoon bridges? This is upriver from where the Ukrainians had established a bridgehead and put in pontoon bridges to cross.

Video in link
https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1570076680131166216\
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Seems ???? destroyed an Ingulets dam near Kryvyi Rih


Another video of the water rising in the river
https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1570088049928798211
More Video
https://twitter.com/WarInUkraine22/status/1570092673133936642
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??Russia hit the hydraulic infrastructure of Kryvyi Rih with eight cruise missiles. Locals observe the rise of water level in the Inhulets river. Relevant services are working on repairs. There are no casualties, deputy head of the President's Office Kyrylo Tymoshenko says.


Video of actual dam and water rushing through
https://twitter.com/anastaciakucher/status/1570092452610187265

This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 12:00 pm
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:53 am to
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I wonder if there have been any quiet discussions in Tbilisi or Chi?inau to go ahead and deal with the separatist areas of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Transnistria while Russia is down? Now would be the best time for those countries to act.




Oh sure, but its in their best interest to keep building and watch the decline...for now.

For me the two biggest developments in the last 7 months have been:

The Russian military is complete garbage;

Turkey said two weeks ago the Crimea rightfully belongs to Ukraine.

Seismic shifts.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:56 am to
You must be referring to the Chechens, and it is all but proven that Putin ran a false flag operation in blowing up apartment building in Moscow to blame it on them.

The fact has been reported about a decade ago that Moslems were just shy of 50% of Russia's military, though this is almost exclusively in the enlisted ranks. The national talk show most seen by me often has Chechen soldiers on it. When the speak of god, it isn't the same god. I use the lower case g because I'm not so certain that most Russians actually believe in any diety.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:09 pm to
Seems more a flood control/reservoir dam and not a very large one. The Vermillion Bayou is larger than this river per photos I've viewed of the river itself.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:12 pm to
Bannon definitely was in the class. He now has a Chinese billionaire funding him and his "War Room" Strange bedfellows in a change from bashing China to supporting Russia.
Posted by mmcgrath
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:58 pm to
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You must be referring to the Chechens, and it is all but proven that Putin ran a false flag operation in blowing up apartment building in Moscow to blame it on them.

The fact has been reported about a decade ago that Moslems were just shy of 50% of Russia's military, though this is almost exclusively in the enlisted ranks. The national talk show most seen by me often has Chechen soldiers on it. When the speak of god, it isn't the same god. I use the lower case g because I'm not so certain that most Russians actually believe in any diety.
Those are the ones. Interesting that Muslims make up a large part of the Russian military.

Russia seems to be stretched way too thin and could be seeing internal and external forces start to test what they have left.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:05 pm to
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wonder if there have been any quiet discussions in Tbilisi or Chi?inau to go ahead and deal with the separatist areas of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Transnistria while Russia is down? Now would be the best time for those countries to act.


In Tbilisi, unfortunately, the current Georgian president is a Putin stooge.

Moldova is a small, poor country of only 2.6 million people, and almost half a million of those are in Transnistria. They are in no position to deal with Transnistria until after Ukraine finishes dealing with Russia, at which point Ukraine will insist that Russian troops leave Transnistria.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 4:41 pm
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