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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/13/22 at 7:48 pm to
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 7:48 pm to
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how to use combined arms and proved that the tank is not outdated like some people where saying


Anyone who ever thought MBTs were outdated when used properly as a true combined force has just been reading wargamming fantasy porn.

There's not a landborne piece of equipment capable of the amount of destruction and maneuverability and the ability to rapidly take ground is unmatched.

And for fear factor as well. In my combat experience on M1A2s, there is nothing that causes absolute fear in the enemy as an Abrams with it's main gun pointed at you.
Posted by ned nederlander
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 7:50 pm to
Guardian - Goldman Sachs Euro Gas Price Forcast

“ Goldman Sachs said the price of gas was likely to more than halve this winter as efforts by EU countries’ to avoid big shortages this winter prove effective.
Goldman said on Tuesday it expected European wholesale natural gas prices to fall from about €215 (£186) a megawatt hour to below €100 a MWh by the end of the first quarter of next year, assuming typical winter weather conditions. That is well below the €213 previously predicted.”

Europeans Freezing/Starving This Winter On/[Off]. Score another one for the western democratic model of problem solving.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 7:55 pm
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 7:51 pm to
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there is nothing that causes absolute fear in the enemy as an Abrams with it's main gun pointed at you.


I would think you are correct.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 7:56 pm to
Ukraine has no incentive to enter peace talks now or anytime soon. The Ukrainians will be ready for talks when either:

1) They have retaken back to their internationally recognized borders, including Crimea, or

2) They take back territory to pre-February levels and get hit with strong enough resistance that the cost in Ukrainian soldiers' lives is such that it makes sense to negotiate.

I also think that it will matter a great deal who they are negotiating with, because Putin won't be in power at that point.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:00 pm to
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I do not think that Russia or Ukraine can afford an endless war at this point so entering Crimea, damning the canal, and damaging or destroying the bridge will cause both sides to enter peace talks.


From a practical POV I think this is what should happen. Return Crimea to the "island" status it had prior to the finish of the Kerch bridge and put the enemy at the gate of the isthmus and hopefully, the war can be cooled off.

Unfortunately, as long as Putin or someone with the same aspirations is in power, Ukraine will be a pot on simmer.
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:01 pm to
Hopefully Sevastopol will be flattened forcing the Black Sea fleet back to Russia
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:14 pm to
Hard to argue with that. The sphincter factor is great seeing an Abrams rolling toward you if you’re an enemy. Maybe the only thing that could rival it would be hearing death from above BRRRRRT!
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:17 pm to
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Hopefully Sevastopol will be flattened


Hopefully not, actually. Remember: a bunch of Ukrainians had their property more or less stolen from them when Crimea was taken. Tartars in particular. Would be a shame if they returned home after all this time to a bunch of rubble
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:19 pm to
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Anyone who ever thought MBTs were outdated when used properly as a true combined force has just been reading wargamming fantasy porn.

There's not a landborne piece of equipment capable of the amount of destruction and maneuverability and the ability to rapidly take ground is unmatched.


I agree with you, but there was quite a bit of writing and going on before this offensive saying that drones and advanced ATMs such as the javelins and the stugna-Ps had made armor obsolete.

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And for fear factor as well. In my combat experience on M1A2s, there is nothing that causes absolute fear in the enemy as an Abrams with it's main gun pointed at you.



Where you ever under a true artillery bombardment? I was just in Ukraine 6 weeks ago. While I was there, I got to drive and fire my buddy's (who has 20+ tank kills in this war) modernized T72 and watch his battalion go through drills. I also got to experience a HIMARs launch, as well as being under a Russian artillery bombardment (not one or two pieces of artillery or mortars but a full on bombardment where the explosions are coming to fast to count and eventually just become one large terrible and horrifying experience)in person. I am not questioning the awe or fear factor of the MBTs, but I would rank it behind being on the receiving end of a true all out artillery bombardment. I would rather face a tank than go through another bombardment, because at least you can see a tank and attempt to fight back where as the only thing that you can do while being on the receiving end of a true artillery bombardment is take shelter and hope that you do not shite yourself. I also though that the HIMARs were more awe inspiring than the Ukrainian tanks, but that just could be due to knowing how big of an effect 16 launchers had on the war.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:44 pm to
There’s a reason the Russians call artillery the god of war. As far as mentally breaking artillery and rocket bombardment are in their own league because you can’t see them coming and can’t run away. In WWII the Germans feared the sound of Russian katyusha rockets like the Russians feared the “Jericho’s Trumpet” siren from diving Stukas. You just have to get low and hope your name isn’t on one of the shells. The Russians’ vacuum bombs are another terrible weapon.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 8:48 pm to
Mortars and what not. Not heavy 155 mm type, no. Tanks, like every weapon system can be neutralized.

Rock, paper, scissors.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:01 pm to
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Rock, paper, scissors.



Combined arms means you bring rock, paper, and scissors into the battlespace to defeat whatever the enemy brings.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:55 pm to
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Not heavy 155 mm type,


It ain’t fun Good thing the Russians can’t aim worth shite.

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Tanks, like every weapon system can be neutralized.


Isn’t the one the main jobs of mechanized infantry and scouting drones to make sure that tanks don’t get neutralized by a dude hiding in the grass?
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:05 pm to
They probably beat the heck out of their meat.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:16 pm to
It is trading after reaching Europe which has caused the price to spike so high. Norway's Equinor (formerly Statoil) has been making bank.

Our exports of LNG have actually dropped since January. China's demand with its extreme lockdowns has not been there. They are getting tiny stream from Russia but always have.

Meanwhile Japan is 100% LNG imports for natural gas and no issues there with extreme price spikes in the JKM (Japan South Korea market index)
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:23 pm to
Yes that’s the way ours and most anyone’s armored infantry fights but it’s been seen time and time again of Russians too lazy or just not trained enough to dismount and attack the threat. I’ve seen many videos of troops either not dismounting from their APCs at all or if they do instead of engaging the threat they use the vehicle as cover and it gets lit up by a Javelin, NLAW or Stugna.
Posted by TheGasMan
Member since Oct 2014
3485 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:37 pm to
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If they are single then that's correct but not if they are married and/or have children. They have to pay to feed them.

This is wrong. If they’re married they’re getting BAH and BAS.

But then again I wasn’t a low end supply tech in the navy on a frigate like you were. My job was making the sub move to put warheads on foreheads.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 10:53 pm
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17241 posts
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:19 am to
Sergei Shoigu: Heart attack.
Vladislav Avayev: Murder-Suicide.
Valery Gerasimov: Charges of treason.
Sergei Beseda: Imprisoned.
Gen. Roman Gavrilov: Charged selling classified information.
Vladislav Surkov: Ordered arrested by Putin himself.
Ivan Pechorin: Drowned at sea.
Ravil Maganov: Fell from a hospital window.

These were all allies of Putin. All of them.

Military. FSB intelligence. Businessmen.

All dead, or jailed, or currently under investigation for treason. This is Putin'as legacy. If your friends with Putin, your days are now numbered.

Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:01 am to
Yahoo News - Russian troops forced to run away were Russia's elite force, supposed to be able to "fight NATO"

LINK

Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:48 am to
What we are witnessing is the Goodfellas ending of Putin’s inner circle, heist has happened now it’s time to dispose of the disposable witnesses.
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