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Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:09 pm to
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:09 pm to
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IMO, SOS is providing a classic example of the fallacy of relative privation. We can address both of these issues, just because the political will doesn’t exist to address problem A, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t address problem B.


Posted by TacoNash
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:09 pm to
R-934BMV UHF jammer from the Borisoglebsk-2 electronic warfare system captured by Ukrainian forces.

https://twitter.com/Noel_dotsol/status/1569726274402422784?s=20&t=Qd1BK9uW_fCmWNvEtwCZSA

Posted by ImaObserver
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:11 pm to
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President Vladimir Putin continued with his planned public schedule, presiding over the opening of a new Ferris wheel and martial-arts gym in Moscow.


I find this report from Moscow news media interesting since the major emerging concern for Ukrainian forces is how to harbor all of the new captives from Putin's forces that are surrendering.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:27 pm to
To go along with your post

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1569359928694902786
quote:

As the Russian Army couldn't be bothered to remove the wreckage of Su-30SM 'RF-81773' that came down in a formerly Russian-controlled part of Kharkiv Oblast, Western intelligence agencies are now the proud owner of a slightly dented SAP-518SM 'Regata' jamming pod.



The US intelligence community has struck gold with this war. What an unmitigated disaster for Russia.
Posted by TacoNash
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:42 pm to
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To go along with your post



You know, I am starting to think that the Russian military is not all it's cracked up to be
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:47 pm to
From the real Igor Girkin who has been critical of Russia's efforts in the war from the start. He has consistently said that he thinks they should go harder at Ukraine.

I don't know if its the quality (or lack thereof) of the translations, but a lot of these Russian posts read like gibberish to me.

https://t.me/strelkovii/3230

quote:

I will briefly express my understanding of the situation on the Planet of the Pink Ponies (where, as you know, our government and other "systemic VIP people" live).

The planet (hereinafter - PRP) is located quite far from the Russian Federation and, therefore, the events taking place here are usually of little concern to its population. And (mutually) even the most powerful events and emotions taking place on the PRP - practically do not reach the citizens of our state. Well, up to such moments as the recent one: when - completely unexpectedly - after almost 8 years of "non-alternative Minsk agreements", a "special military operation for the purpose of" denazification "suddenly begins, and then - just as abruptly - denazification is canceled and a landslide begins "de-escalation".

We have to state that the information from the planet Earth (and even more so - the Planet of the Russian Federation) reaches the PDP - due to huge distances and natural obstacles - extremely distorted. Which cannot but influence the strategic decisions being made there. Accordingly, these decisions, which are very slowly made in the Blue Clouds of the PRP atmosphere, turn out to be extremely incomprehensible, unexpected and even amazing for the population of the Planet of the Russian Federation.

A good example: apparently, in February of this year. at the PRP, they were sure that the Russian Federation has modern, well-armed and well-controlled Armed Forces, capable of quickly coping with demotivated, weak, ready to surrender at the first opportunity and onslaught by the authorities and the armed forces of the so-called. "Ukraine". And when it turned out that this was not the case at all (at what - in both points) - the information from the planet RF to the PRP was transformed in such a way that all the Pink Ponies and Rainbow Unicorns hovering in blue clouds, for some reason, suddenly became convinced that they should to express only a wish - and their respected Kyiv partners will gladly agree to any truce - they only have to give in a little.

When this assumption was not justified, then the Ponies and the Unicorns again incorrectly perceived the signals coming from the Earth (I note - not only from one RF). And they decided that they can wait as long as they like until the "partners mature", without straining themselves and without straining the population of the territory of the Earth Globe - the Planet of the Russian Federation, subordinated to the PRP.

And when - right now - "this has never happened and here it is again" - they fell into a stupor at the PRP. On the one hand, something needs to be done. On the other hand, doing something means straining (which Ponies and Unicorns are categorically not used to, not to mention the ability to do something other than perform incomprehensible paper rituals, and then get high in warm, soft, sweet blue clouds) . At the same time, the next interplanetary crisis - even if it was unexpectedly severe - having significantly worsened the situation in the accountable Russian Federation, almost did not affect the PRP as a whole. Yes, - an unpleasant cold breeze with a kind of sepulchral smell blew in the atmosphere of the Planet, alarming Ponies and Unicorns. But he blew not for the first time ... He blew - and stopped ... as in spring - during the "de-escalation" ... and calmed down. On Earth, the front seems to have stabilized (there were - as always distorted - signals about this).

Therefore, now in the minds of Amazing Creatures (which Ponies and Unicorns are by definition) the tempting to irresistible desire is growing again - "leave everything as it is." Like - "as always - it will grind itself, form and resolve itself."

Hence the conclusion: those beings who on the Planet of the Russian Federation are waiting for some "decisions adequate to the situation" - with a high probability will receive new Amazing strategic instructions "from above". (If they get any at all). For example, these:
- "do nothing, hold on stubbornly, waiting for the partners to agree to an honorable peace";
- "ruthlessly crush the impudent critics and agents of world fascism, who, due to their stupidity and meanness, are not able to realize the genius of the directives issued from the PRP."
I believe that this decision will be the second most likely (after "no instructions received at all").

Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:48 pm to
He followed that post up with this one

https://t.me/strelkovii/3231
quote:

But - like any Amazing Strategic Direction with the PRP - it will not be fulfilled at the current moment, since time on the PRP and on Earth (including the Planet of the Russian Federation and its satellite planets) flows completely differently. In other words, it flows much faster with us. Especially quickly (and with constant acceleration) events occur in the area of ??the so-called. "SVO". So personally, I am completely calm, because whatever decision is made at the PDP on our current situation, it is already hopelessly late.

How the situation will end is also known in advance (in the history of Planet Russia and other terrestrial planets this happened many times): PRP, - together with all its inhabitants, - having completely lost orientation in space and time - will collapse to Earth. Unfortunately, most likely, it will fall directly on the Russian Federation. Although there is still a chance to avoid the fall of the PRP on our heads - albeit purely theoretical. And there are much more chances (although also not much) that the inhabitants of the Planet of the Russian Federation will be able to minimize the catastrophic consequences of this cosmic collapse and survive physically ... The trouble, however, is that there are too many Ponies and Unicorns walking around our earthly firmament, which by the body are here , but with a little soul and thoughts - entirely on the PRP ... And they also do nothing at their posts. And they rave, rave, rave...

Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:50 pm to
Then this https://t.me/strelkovii/3232
quote:

Front changes:

Front of the LPR (I don’t even know how to “call” it now ... Oskolsky?):
There is no fresh data on the northern part, fighting continues in the area north of Svyatogorsk (abandoned by our troops) and Liman (held by the LDNR Armed Forces and Russian "leopards"). Also, fighting continues on the bridgehead occupied by the enemy on the eastern bank of the Seversky Donets opposite the village of Belogorovka (west of Lisichansk, occupied by the enemy) - on the outskirts of Kremennaya. Nothing more is known to me from there.

South of Seversk - on the Soledar-Bakhmut (Artemovsk) line - in general, the front line has not changed. Yesterday there were battles on the approaches and outskirts of Bakhmut with (supposedly) attacks from our side that took place. I do not rule out that the active actions of our units and subunits were associated with the preparation of a withdrawal to more advantageous positions (but this is only my assumption).

There is no fresh information from the Dokuchavsky direction.

Near Kherson, our troops continue to hold their positions everywhere, they are being urgently strengthened and equipped with engineering equipment (due to amazing circumstances, it has only just begun). Information about the alleged withdrawal from Kiselevka (north of Kherson) is refuted by the Russian military stationed there.

Sources do NOT yet confirm the breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine under Davydov Brod in the Berislav direction. I'm waiting for more information


This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 12:53 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:52 pm to
Sorry, lots of posts from him today.

This one is evidently in response to criticism he got for his other posts.
https://t.me/strelkovii/3234
quote:

RBC'S OBJECTION

The Kremlin reminded Strelkov of the “very fine line” of pluralism

I want to reasonably object to the statement of RBC (since the husband of a US citizen and the father of a British citizen did not mention my last name):

I did not "begin to criticize the work of the Russian Ministry of Defense." - I have been openly and regularly declaring for more than six months that if we continue to fight the way our troops have been fighting under the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry for six months, then we will eventually suffer a crushing defeat in this war. Dot.


Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:58 pm to
From Rybar (Russian)
https://t.me/rybar/38712
quote:

?????????? The situation in the Donetsk direction
as of 18.00 September 13, 2022

The Ukrainian command continues to prepare for a counteroffensive against the settlements of the Donetsk agglomeration. The preliminary start date is September 14 at night.

?? The command was given to the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to be ready to start the assault on the positions of the allied forces in the direction of Pesok and Maryinka. Ukrainian artillery and MLRS intensified shelling of positions in these settlements and on the western outskirts of Donetsk.

?? A wagon train with military equipment and personnel arrived at the railway station in Pokrovsk for an offensive in the Donetsk direction.

?? To reinforce the units of the 79th brigade, several mortar crews were sent to the Maryinsky sector, and servicemen of the 42nd battalion of the 57th brigade arrived in the Pesok direction.

?? Artillery of the allied forces is conducting massive fire on Ukrainian positions in Kurdyumovka and Mayorsk, because of which the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffered losses and withdrew troops to reserve positions.

?? The enemy, with the forces of about 50 people, with the support of light armored vehicles, attempted a counterattack on the lost strongholds in the western part of the Donetsk airport from the Experimental side. However, the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine came under heavy artillery and mortar fire from the “Somalia” battalion of the NM of the DPR and were forced to retreat with losses to their original positions.

?? On September 9-10, about 2,000 servicemen from the 53rd and 110th OMBs were sent to the Ugledar sector of the front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Strengthening is connected with the planned counteroffensive in the direction of Nikolsky in the coming days.

As part of the preparations for the formation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, positions are being set up at civilian infrastructure facilities in Vugledar, and engineering and sapper troops continue to clear the area.

At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine use multiple numerical superiority in order to hide the real target of the strike and thus disperse the reserves of allied forces to defend false attack sites.


Posted by jfan244888
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:06 pm to
Donetsk is part of the area Russia took in 2014 correct?

If so what a collapse by Russia.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:07 pm to
Correct. Ukraine hasn't taken it back yet, but it looks like they might.

Russia also took Crimea then as well.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

Hence the conclusion: those beings who on the Planet of the Russian Federation are waiting for some "decisions adequate to the situation" - with a high probability will receive new Amazing strategic instructions "from above". (If they get any at all). For example, these:
- "do nothing, hold on stubbornly, waiting for the partners to agree to an honorable peace";
- "ruthlessly crush the impudent critics and agents of world fascism, who, due to their stupidity and meanness, are not able to realize the genius of the directives issued from the PRP."
I believe that this decision will be the second most likely (after "no instructions received at all").

That whole article is hilarious. He's basically saying Russian leaders are in a room smelling their own farts, too arrogant to realize they're losing the war due to bad decision making.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:13 pm to
More info on the 1st Guards Tank Army. The 1st GTA is the premier Russian armor formation. In the event of war with NATO, the 1st GTA is responsible for defending Moscow.

From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Guards_Tank_Army
quote:

The army was formed as the main ground forces manoeuvre and reserve operational formation of the Western Military District, in addition to the 6th Combined Arms Army (headquartered in Saint Petersburg) and the 20th Guards Combined Arms Army (headquartered in Voronezh). It is considered an elite formation of the Russian Ground Forces. The army carries on the traditions of the chronologically first army of the Soviet Union to reach 'Guards' status.

It commands the 2nd Guards Motor Rifle and the 4th Guards Tank Divisions, which are considered the elite formations of their respective combat arms. The most decorated divisions of the Soviet Army, they were garrisoned the closest to Moscow. Due to their proximity to the capital, extra scrutiny was applied to personnel of these formations, making these postings especially prestigious. These units received the latest hardware and were thus known as the 'household' divisions of the Soviet Army. Their loyalty to the government was demonstrated by their involvement in the 1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt. The divisions retained their elite status within the Russian Army. The army also included the 6th Separate Guards Tank and the 27th Separate Guards Motor Rifle Brigades.


https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1569683217766031360
quote:

IZIUM/1330 UTC 13 SEP/ UK Intel discloses that the prestigious Russian 1st Guards’ Tank Army has been destroyed. This top-teir force is the largest single unit lost by Russia since World War II. Information is evolving, but captured RU troops may number in 10s of thousands.



Keep in mind as you read what he's reporting, that even though he's an American ex-Seal Team guy, he is part of the Ukrainian media. In my opinion, some of his reporting has been rushed.
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ETA: A good example of what I'm talking about in my comment about his reporting being rushed: In the map above, he states that Kremenna is liberated. There are conflicting reports on this.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 1:32 pm
Posted by sugar71
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:19 pm to
quote:


We get it. You believe in not sending funding to help Ukraine. You can have that opinion. Start another “America First” thread if you want to. But this constant thread hijacking is ridiculous.

Many here are in favor of supporting Ukraine. That is what is happening, and is what will continue to happen until this is over. That’s the topic we are trying to discuss. Deal with it.



[/quote]Gentlemen, you can't fight about supporting the war in here! This is the war thread![/quote]



When most people go to a game thread ( LSU/ Saints, etc) no one wants incessant whining about how awful NIL money is for CFB or pages of rants against Taxpayers subsidizing the Saints / NFL teams or stadiums. There are many threads across this site about money spent on the war in Ukraine & they usually fizzle out after a few pages.


Nearly 2000 pages here & I doubt whether the same handful of repetitive posters have swayed anyone. Just imagine if they used all of that time contacting their Congressmen?








Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

I doubt whether the same handful of repetitive posters have swayed anyone.


I'm not trying to sway anyones opinion either way. I believe to the core of my soul that I can have my opinion, and you can have yours.

One thing I have learned over the years of posting on TD, you aren't going to change anyone's mind, so don't try.

Instead, I post information relevant to the war to allow people to form their own opinions about what's going on. If someone wants to debate a particular point, I'm always happy to discuss it. What I don't care for is those people who don't ever try to back up what they say with sources. The constant drive-by shitposting is what you'll see most of the arguments here are centered around.

This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

UK Intel discloses that the prestigious Russian 1st Guards’ Tank Army has been destroyed. This top-teir force is the largest single unit lost by Russia since World War II. Information is evolving, but captured RU troops may number in 10s of thousands.


This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 1:42 pm
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:50 pm to
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Nearly 2000 pages here & I doubt whether the same handful of repetitive posters have swayed anyone.

The only posters trying to convince anyone of anything in this thread have been the pro-Russian disrupters. As for the war news and discussion, this is a discussion of a series of ongoing events. If you want an advocacy exercise to try to convince someone about something, perhaps you have wandered into the wrong room.
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

I hate Russia. Hate corrupt Ukraine too but hate Russia more. I enjoy the stress Putin is going through but it's ludicrous that we are not taking care of Americans first before sending money to ANY other country. It's bullshite that our leaders are telling our military personnel to file for food stamps due to inflation. Take care of your own people first before giving out billions


If it’s a choice between funding Ukraine and building a border wall, building roads in the USA, etc then I would obviate choose the latter. However, that’s not the case. We can take care of the USA and support Ukraine. It’s just that our politicians would rather do nothing to help in the USA because that would mean less air time on the news network. There is nothing that can be done about it until November 2024. There is also a board for you to post that political stuff on.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:56 pm to
Lots of articles out there in the MSM now about Ukraine's rout of Russia. None of these articles have much additional information beyond what's already appeared in the thread; however, they are good summaries for those looking for a quick synopsis.

Here are two, one from CNN and one from NYT (paywalled)

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/13/europe/ukraine-advance-russia-war-analysis-intl-hnk-ml/index.html
quote:

These Russian losses are the accumulation of a multitude of existing problems that are now colliding head-on with a Ukrainian military that has been patient, methodical and infused with billions of dollars of the Western military equipment that Russia cannot match.

And without a drastic, and potentially unconventional intervention from Putin, the Ukrainian victories are likely to accelerate, analysts say.

Many of Russia’s problems – poor and inflexible leadership, sour troop morale, inadequate logistics and hardware beset by maintenance issues – have been evident since the beginning stages of the war more than seven months ago.

The Russian military’s hollow core – including tanks that were easy prey for Ukrainian ground troops and trucks that didn’t have the right tires to traverse Ukraine’s landscape – was quickly exposed by tactics ill-suited to the blitzkrieg Putin had planned.

Remember that 64-kilometer (40-mile) convoy that stalled on the way to the capital of Kyiv and was shredded by Ukrainian defenders?

As that convoy stalled, reports filtered out that Russian troops had significant morale problems – some didn’t even know they were in Ukraine, or if they did, why they were there. As the fighting intensified, Ukrainian forces targeted Russian leadership, killing generals and colonels who would have been expected to rally the Russian forces.


And from the NY Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/12/briefing/russia-ukraine-war-kharkiv-counteroffensive.html?auth=login-email&login=email
quote:

Reversal of fortune
Ukrainian forces blitzed the northeast over the weekend, driving Russian troops from more than 1,000 square miles and completely reshaping the six-month-old war in a matter of days.

When we reported on Ukraine’s early gains on Friday, the reality on the ground was still not confirmed. But now there is no doubt: A grinding stalemate has been transformed in Ukraine’s favor, giving Russia its most humiliating defeat since the initial stages of the war.

The lightning gains, which at times seemed to have surprised both sides, have lifted morale in Ukraine, left Russia’s leadership with few good options and increased Ukrainian calls for more Western weapons.

“Ukrainian forces have inflicted a major operations defeat on Russia,” said the Institute for the Study of War, a group in Washington that tracks the war.

The advances in the Kharkiv region included the recapture of the town of Izium, a railway hub that has been a key military stronghold for Russian forces.
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