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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:14 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:14 am to
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I've often wondered why the RF didn't fully mobilize their country towards the war in Ukraine. Why they didn't draft the numbers of men they would need to feed into a meat grinder.


Extraordinally bad intel and over confidence. Full mobilization would have certainly turned the world against them, even nonaligned nations, which remain neutral.

Looking at how they have burned through ill maintained equipment, just maybe not enough equipment available to equip a full mobilization.

Perhaps Xi told him not to.
Posted by AGGIES
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:18 am to
It doesn’t take much imagination to figure out why there are bots spouting anti-American sentiments.

Especially in a thread discussing Russia going to war on their neighbors.

The more problems Russia has… the more anti-American comments/distractions are mentioned here.
Posted by SOSFAN
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:20 am to
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The principle that as Americans we should have the RIGHT to disagree without being made to feel like we are enemies of the state.


I never said you don't have a right to disagree but if you do then you're not a true American nor believe in putting us first. If you feel it's divisive it's because you know what I said has merit.

Do you really want to live in a country that doesn't take care of it's own military. Im a Plankowner and served in the Navy. Since you did also then you know that the ones having to get food stamps are the lower ranked people. If you can't take care of your own, first, you have no business helping others.
Posted by AGGIES
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:21 am to
Because of 2014 - which went uncontested.

But this time it was different. The US position was different. And when Blinkin put Russia on blast at the UN, Putin should have reconsidered.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:21 am to
I agree we should always put Americans first.

That said, we can do both, the problem is that politically congress doesn't appear to want to take care of the troops.

We spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year on foreign aid. I'd rather stop sending billions to the Middle East and use that to cover what we're giving Ukraine.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:23 am to
Well said Tigeralum
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This is a COMPLETELY unacceptable point of view. I LOVE my country and have a deep family history of military service including serving in the Navy myself.... Your comment is divisive and does not respect the very principle that sets us apart from nearly all other nations. The principle that as Americans we should have the RIGHT to disagree without being made to feel like we are enemies of the state.

look at what is going on in Russia... All anti-government sentiment is illegal and deemed traitorious. Do you really want to live in that kind of country?
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:23 am to
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It's bull shite that our leaders are telling our military personnel to file for food stamps due to inflation.


One of my buddies in the Navy had his CO make this order. CO was dishonorably discharged. Really is sad our naval officers onboard cruisers are having to pay for food with SNAP credits.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:24 am to
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It doesn’t take much imagination to figure out why there are bots spouting anti-American sentiments.

Especially in a thread discussing Russia going to war on their neighbors.

The more problems Russia has… the more anti-American comments/distractions are mentioned here.


Yea, it's like clockwork and very predictable.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:27 am to
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That said, we can do both, the problem is that politically congress doesn't appear to want to take care of the troops


If we can then we should be doing both. American citizens need to be taking a stand since Congress won't.

If you notice I didn't say "we shouldn't be sending Ukraine money" I said other countries period.

Where is the outrage that our youngest families in OUR military cannot afford to feed their families. They volunteered to protect OUR freedom yet we are going to ignore their basic needs. Shameful!
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:29 am to
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Really is sad our naval officers onboard cruisers are having to pay for food with SNAP credits.


If our officers are having to do this then Lord help the junior enlisted.

The housing for our junior enlisted have been, or were when I was in, a step barely above slums.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 9:30 am
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:30 am to
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Since you did also then you know that the ones having to get food stamps are the lower ranked people.

Crap. If they live on post then they get room and board, if the live off post they get BAH and BAS. Not responsible for poor financial choices after that.
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:33 am to
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I hate Russia. Hate corrupt Ukraine too but hate Russia more. I enjoy the stress Putin is going through but it's ludicrous that we are not taking care of Americans first before sending money to ANY other country. It's bull shite that our leaders are telling our military personnel to file for food stamps due to inflation. Take care of your own people first before giving out billions

If you down vote taking care of Americans first it only shows you're not an American or you're against this country.

The U.S. Defense Budget has gone up $130 Billion in 5 years. This isn't a lack of funds issue, this is a how those funds are allocated issue.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:35 am to
SOS, I agree with you 100000%. I'm not trying to deflect from the food stamps issue when I say that we've never done as good a job taking care of the troops as we should be doing. The condition of base housing for our enlisted troops is terrible. The military has been working on that but no where near fast enough.

Both of my daughters are married to service members. One's husband is a Gunny in the 5th Marines at Pendleton, the other is a Captian in the army at Ft. Benning.

I've personally witnessed problems they both have had with base housing. When they call for maintenance, the Civilian contractors who have the mainetnance contract couldn't give any less of a damn if it was possible.

Its shameful.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:35 am to
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Crap. If they live on post then they get room and board, if


Their families that live on base do not get free food. They are being told to file for food stamps because of inflation moron. Your thought process is crap.

This effects E-1 through E-4 ( at least in the Navy). You don't get money to live off base until E-5.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 9:37 am
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:36 am to
Agreed but they thought that it would be an easy victory with decapitation of the government in Kyiv.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:39 am to
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SOS, I agree with you 100000%. I'm not trying to deflect from the food stamps issue when I say that we've never done as good a job taking care of the troops as we should be doing. The condition of base housing for our enlisted troops is terrible. The military has been working on that but no where near fast enough.

Both of my daughters are married to service members. One's husband is a Gunny in the 5th Marines at Pendleton, the other is a Captian in the army at Ft. Benning.

I've personally witnessed problems they both have had with base housing. When they call for maintenance, the Civilian contractors who have the mainetnance contract couldn't give any less of a damn if it was possible.

Its shameful.


Excellent post! If everyone can get so worked up about 2 foreign countries fighting then why can't the same people get fired up about taking care of our own?
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:39 am to
I am 100% in favor of programs to support our veterans. Mental and physical health programs. Financial incentives to companies with pro-veteran hiring practices. Any combination of things. But that is a separate discussion.

The military and financial aid for Ukraine is also a top priority. Russia would have steamrolled if not for the western aid supporting Ukraine.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:40 am to
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I never said you don't have a right to disagree but if you do then you're not a true American nor believe in putting us first. If you feel it's divisive it's because you know what I said has merit.

Do you really want to live in a country that doesn't take care of it's own military. Im a Plankowner and served in the Navy. Since you did also then you know that the ones having to get food stamps are the lower ranked people. If you can't take care of your own, first, you have no business helping others.


I take issue with you seeing these as binary choices.

Support America First or Fight the Commies. We are the most powerful nation in human history with the richest economy ever developed. We can certainly do both

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Im a Plankowner and served in the Navy


Pretty cool to be a plankowner

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Since you did also then you know that the ones having to get food stamps are the lower ranked people


As a guy who stupidly had a child while I was an E-4, I received WIC my first couple years of fatherhood to cover food costs. I wholeheartedly agree that is no way to treat servicemembers but I made a choice without fully understanding the financial impact at the time. It was on me to be in that position.



This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 9:41 am
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15807 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:49 am to
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but I made a choice without fully understanding the financial impact at the time. It was on me to be in that position.


Civilians make the same mistakes but have the option of finding a higher paying job. Military personnel don't have that option and shouldn't even need to worry about feeding their families.

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Support America First or Fight the Commies. We are the most powerful nation in human history with the richest economy ever developed. We can certainly do both


Then why aren't we? You take issue with what I said but I said it on real life not on what could a, shoulda, woulda
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 9:51 am
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:49 am to
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Excellent post! If everyone can get so worked up about 2 foreign countries fighting then why can't the same people get fired up about taking care of our own?


I'm more pissed that the Biden Administration has spent 6 TRILLION dollars and not taken care of the troops than I am that they spent $100 Billion to destroy Russia's army without losing any American service members. In my thinking, that $100B expense is going to pay itself back several fold.

We haven't actually given $100 Billion of cash to Ukraine, a lot of that was for weapons that need to be replaced by our defense industry which means more jobs and $ into our economy. With Russia shitting the bed on the battlefield, no one is going to want shitty Russian weapons, we're getting ready to sell $100's of billions of equipment to the world. At least we'll get something tangible from our Ukrainian assistance.
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