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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:18 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:18 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 12 September 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
In the face of Ukrainian advances, Russia has likely ordered the withdrawal of its troops from the entirety of occupied Kharkiv Oblast west of the Oskil River. Isolated pockets of resistance remain in this sector, but since Wednesday, Ukraine has recaptured territory at least twice the size of Greater London.
In the south, near Kherson, Russia is likely struggling to bring sufficient reserves forward across the Dnipro River to the front line. An improvised floating bridge Russia started over two weeks ago remains incomplete; Ukrainian long-range artillery is now probably hitting crossings of the Dnipro so frequently that Russia cannot carry out repairs to damaged road bridges.
The rapid Ukrainian successes have significant implications for Russia's overall operational design. The majority of the force in Ukraine is highly likely being forced to prioritise emergency defensive actions. The already limited trust deployed troops have in Russia's senior military leadership is likely to deteriorate further.
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 12 September 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
In the face of Ukrainian advances, Russia has likely ordered the withdrawal of its troops from the entirety of occupied Kharkiv Oblast west of the Oskil River. Isolated pockets of resistance remain in this sector, but since Wednesday, Ukraine has recaptured territory at least twice the size of Greater London.
In the south, near Kherson, Russia is likely struggling to bring sufficient reserves forward across the Dnipro River to the front line. An improvised floating bridge Russia started over two weeks ago remains incomplete; Ukrainian long-range artillery is now probably hitting crossings of the Dnipro so frequently that Russia cannot carry out repairs to damaged road bridges.
The rapid Ukrainian successes have significant implications for Russia's overall operational design. The majority of the force in Ukraine is highly likely being forced to prioritise emergency defensive actions. The already limited trust deployed troops have in Russia's senior military leadership is likely to deteriorate further.
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Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:31 am to jeffsdad
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Odd question regarding the tons of captured supplies..... I assume they are checked for booby traps first.
The Russians soldiers didn’t even take the time to destroy to disable their equipment. They definitely didn’t take the time to set booby traps. That’s an old meme but it’s still true.
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In this situation, do they begin to immediately put them to use or do they move them to a different location?
They move them to another location, inventory them, paint over the Z’s and replace them with crosses. Then they send them to the rear. The artillery ammunition is being deployed to the Kherson front.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:34 am to WeeWee
Appreciate!
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:36 am to RLDSC FAN
Russian losses to date - source www.ukrinform.net
Also from Ukrinform.. LINK
Highlights from the latest ISW Update - 11-Sept - LINK to ISW
Also from Ukrinform.. LINK
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“The Russian invaders flee so fast under the pressure of the Ukrainian soldiers that they leave whole arsenals of ammunition. We know what to do with them and will definitely use them for their intended purpose – against the enemy," Vladyslav Abdula, Spokesman for the Kharkiv Region Department of the Security Service of Ukraine
Highlights from the latest ISW Update - 11-Sept - LINK to ISW
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Ukrainian forces have inflicted a major operational defeat on Russia, recapturing almost all Kharkiv Oblast in a rapid counter-offensive.
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The Ukrainian recapture of Izyum ended the prospect that Russia could accomplish its stated objectives in Donetsk Oblast.
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Russian officials and milbloggers involved with the Russian war in Ukraine are increasingly blaming the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) for Russian failures on the frontlines.
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Russian forces conducted a wave of precision strikes against Ukrainian energy infrastructure on September 11 causing widespread power outages.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:43 am to cypher
Ukrainian counteroffensive went better than expected, but it’s too early to celebrate, defense minister warns
12 September, 02:25 PM
Although the recent Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kharkiv Oblast went “much better than expected,” it’s too early to celebrate victory, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov said in an interview with the Financial Times newspaper on Sept. 12.
Russia may attempt to counterattack still, so Ukraine has to be prepared to defend newly-regained territory, the minister said.
Reznikov said the recent blitzkrieg-like counteroffensive “snowballed” as it smashed through collapsing Russian defenses in Kharkiv Oblast, inflicting the largest defeat of the war on Russia.
While Ukrainian units need to time recuperate after the successful operation, troop morale is sky-high, according to the minister.
“Ukrainians wanted to counterattack; we needed this counteroffensive, as proof that Russia can be defeated militarily,” he said.
Reznikov noted that the ongoing southern counteroffensive in Kherson Oblast is moving at a slower pace.
The New Voice of Ukraine
12 September, 02:25 PM
Although the recent Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kharkiv Oblast went “much better than expected,” it’s too early to celebrate victory, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov said in an interview with the Financial Times newspaper on Sept. 12.
Russia may attempt to counterattack still, so Ukraine has to be prepared to defend newly-regained territory, the minister said.
Reznikov said the recent blitzkrieg-like counteroffensive “snowballed” as it smashed through collapsing Russian defenses in Kharkiv Oblast, inflicting the largest defeat of the war on Russia.
While Ukrainian units need to time recuperate after the successful operation, troop morale is sky-high, according to the minister.
“Ukrainians wanted to counterattack; we needed this counteroffensive, as proof that Russia can be defeated militarily,” he said.
Reznikov noted that the ongoing southern counteroffensive in Kherson Oblast is moving at a slower pace.
The New Voice of Ukraine
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:45 am to OleWar
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The post I responded to made a justification for support by Republicans of the war in Ukraine in terms of economic gain amongst other factors, to include a benefit to US LNG producers. I called out the morality of such a claim, not the actual reality of it, or the mechanism of the pricing.
They were shipping to CHINA before. The shipping just shifted to Europe. Exports of LNG have decreased by 15% since March of this year. Maybe you ought to know more about something before shooting your mouth off. More terminals were already going to be approved before the need of Europe. Contracts for enough product to justify construction were already in place, about 50% of enough LNG was with China, if not higher, with each of them. Japan exists on LNG not pipelines of natural gas. The problem with Europe is that there is not enough interconnection between nations. Plenty of LNG terminals in Italy, Portugal and Spain but not enough connection to the north.
Qatar is set to export to Germany after demanding a 20 year contract. Though I am not sure if condition was ever agreed to.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 6:57 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:53 am to cypher
One of Russia’s most massive bombardments of energy infrastructure: Energy Minister describes consequences
Monday, 12 September 2022, 12:47
Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians were left without electricity on the evening of 11 September as a result of one of Russia’s most massive bombardments of Ukraine’s energy infrastructure.
Source: Herman Halushchenko, Minister of Energy, on Facebook
Details: The minister said the Russians fired on the Zmiivska power station and three high-voltage substations on Sunday evening. 40 substations of different voltages were de-energised, and two 750 kV overhead transmission lines and five 330 kV overhead transmission lines were disconnected.
Early reports indicate that four power engineers have been killed and three more are injured.
Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians were left without electricity in Poltava, Dnipro, Kharkiv, Sumy and Donetsk oblasts.
At the same time, Halushchenko pointed out that the speed of restoration is inspiring.
Quote: "Electricity started to reappear in Ukrainians’ homes within only 40 minutes. All main lines were connected after just four and a half hours. Electricity has been fully restored in Poltava and Donetsk oblasts. At this moment, 1,700 consumers in Sumy Oblast, approximately 3,000 in Dnipro Oblast and 12,000 in Kharkiv Oblast are still without power. We are still working on restoring it.
Ukrainska Pravda
Monday, 12 September 2022, 12:47
Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians were left without electricity on the evening of 11 September as a result of one of Russia’s most massive bombardments of Ukraine’s energy infrastructure.
Source: Herman Halushchenko, Minister of Energy, on Facebook
Details: The minister said the Russians fired on the Zmiivska power station and three high-voltage substations on Sunday evening. 40 substations of different voltages were de-energised, and two 750 kV overhead transmission lines and five 330 kV overhead transmission lines were disconnected.
Early reports indicate that four power engineers have been killed and three more are injured.
Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians were left without electricity in Poltava, Dnipro, Kharkiv, Sumy and Donetsk oblasts.
At the same time, Halushchenko pointed out that the speed of restoration is inspiring.
Quote: "Electricity started to reappear in Ukrainians’ homes within only 40 minutes. All main lines were connected after just four and a half hours. Electricity has been fully restored in Poltava and Donetsk oblasts. At this moment, 1,700 consumers in Sumy Oblast, approximately 3,000 in Dnipro Oblast and 12,000 in Kharkiv Oblast are still without power. We are still working on restoring it.
Ukrainska Pravda
Post of the week.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:05 am to CitizenK
ETA: this was meant to address BritLSUfan's post
I have to say I am extremely dubious of "body counts". On the ground, you just don't take the time to police an area and count bodies. As a platoon leader if I had produced a count in the AAR (after action review) my soldiers would have all been "I got 3", "I got 2" etc and by the time I would have tallied it up we would have killed over 100 enemy combatants yet we only engaged a platoon minus element.
Generals and the press are the ones that want to know the numbers so they can get their happy arse out there and count them. Soldiers on the ground don't care, we just assume they will keep coming and we just keep killing them until they just don't pop up anymore or Uncle Sam yanks our chain and puts us back in the kennel.
There is no question both sides here are taking significant casualties but the chances the numbers we see are accurate is as likely as 2007 Derby beating the Arsenal Invincibles to put a Brit perspective on it.
I have to say I am extremely dubious of "body counts". On the ground, you just don't take the time to police an area and count bodies. As a platoon leader if I had produced a count in the AAR (after action review) my soldiers would have all been "I got 3", "I got 2" etc and by the time I would have tallied it up we would have killed over 100 enemy combatants yet we only engaged a platoon minus element.
Generals and the press are the ones that want to know the numbers so they can get their happy arse out there and count them. Soldiers on the ground don't care, we just assume they will keep coming and we just keep killing them until they just don't pop up anymore or Uncle Sam yanks our chain and puts us back in the kennel.
There is no question both sides here are taking significant casualties but the chances the numbers we see are accurate is as likely as 2007 Derby beating the Arsenal Invincibles to put a Brit perspective on it.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 7:44 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:06 am to CitizenK
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The problem with Europe is that there is not enough interconnection between nations. Plenty of LNG terminals in Italy, Portugal and Spain but not enough connection to the north.
The Europeans are litterally working on that as I type. This winter will suck for Europe, but the connections should be finished by next winter.
Trying not to get too political but if Poland and Sweden just gave the world an example of how the European political situation is going to move. Poland has committed to spending 5% of their GDP on defense and upgrading military with new equipment. In Sweden the incumbent governments that made Europe militarily weak and dependent on Russian energy will be replaced by right wing governments that are in favor of a strong European defense and decoupling their energy from Russia like they did in Sweden. So it looks like Europe might finally start pulling its weight in NATO which means more foreign military sales for the USA and less American money spent defending Europe.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:19 am to OleWar
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What deference or concession was made to Russia.
Literally posted in this thread. It was the 2021 Ukraine membership vote for NATO. Read the quote posted by jimmy the leg posted a few pages back.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:25 am to jimmy the leg
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So prior to Russia’s full scale invasion in 2022 huh? No shite. They also tried to join in 2008.
Obama, and McCain were ALL in favor of it. W pulled a Forrest Gump (that’s a fine idea), and have them the support of the US. Europe hated W so that had shite for traction.
So ultimately, why weren’t they admitted?
You know who had a relationship with NATO 2002 till 2014? Russia
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 7:26 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:41 am to crazy4lsu
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What deference or concession was made to Russia. Literally posted in this thread. It was the 2021 Ukraine membership vote for NATO. Read the quote posted by jimmy the leg posted a few pages back.
Not only has NATO rejected Ukraine’s application 3 times in the last 15 years, but Ukraine agreed to withdraw its NATO application back in February if a peace agreement with Russia was reached. They proposed that the weekend before Russia recognized the DPR and LPR and launched this invasion of Ukraine.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:41 am to TBoy
Still no link.
You lie.
It doesn’t matter what your comrades in this thread say.
You have stalled to give yourself more time in hopes of finding something to support your claim, and yet...nada.
Until you do (and it has to be an undeniable statement by the “right wing” pundits at FOX news)...
YOU
are
a
LIAR.
You lie.
It doesn’t matter what your comrades in this thread say.
You have stalled to give yourself more time in hopes of finding something to support your claim, and yet...nada.
Until you do (and it has to be an undeniable statement by the “right wing” pundits at FOX news)...
YOU
are
a
LIAR.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 7:49 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:45 am to BritLSUfan
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Also from Ukrinform.. LINK
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“The Russian invaders flee so fast under the pressure of the Ukrainian soldiers that they leave whole arsenals of ammunition
I would have figured the Russian population would be zero by now, according to reports in this thread. They shouldn't have men nor equipment left by now.
I've even heard that they're using helicopters to kill their own! This is just an incredible one sided war.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:46 am to TBoy
One more thing:
This
Does not = this:
frick your moving goal post.
Fox News - link their “expressed support” for Putin.
ETA - I don’t even watch FOX “News,” I am simply that confident that you are lying.
This
quote:
You pretend that you have no clue that any right wing media personalities have expressed support for Russia?
Does not = this:
quote:
The more aggressive pundits on Fox News and other right wing media came out in direct support of Russia.
frick your moving goal post.
Fox News - link their “expressed support” for Putin.
ETA - I don’t even watch FOX “News,” I am simply that confident that you are lying.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 7:48 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:47 am to jimmy the leg
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frick your moving goal post.
They've convinced themselves that everyone who doesn't support their position has to be reading Russian propaganda.
Yes, they are that simple.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They've convinced themselves that everyone who doesn't support their position has to be reading Russian propaganda. Yes, they are that simple.
Most of the posters in this thread would label Stalin, Hitler, and Mao as far right. It is actually comical how warped their “version” of reality is. They have zip for integrity. Then again, they are goose-stepping communazis that are to the left of Mao, Hitler, and Stalin.
I can’t imagine running away from a request for a link to something that I posted...yet that is what happens in this thread.
It is like political Monkeypox has infested this thread as they arse blast each other repeatedly.
Pathetic.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 8:01 am to jimmy the leg
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It is actually comical how warped their “version” of reality is
People take information and warp it to fit themselves. Its why our realities are so far apart. So yeah, we do create our own reality.
Its pretty interesting, we shape our own realities through evolution as a survival technique.
Donald Hoffman - Reality isn't real.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 8:07 am to jimmy the leg
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Fox News - link their “expressed support” for Putin.
ETA - I don’t even watch FOX “News,” I am simply that confident that you are lying.
If Tucker said he was rooting for Russia in a conflict between them and Ukraine would that satisfy the requirement without moving the goalposts? If it doesn't I won't track down the proof. If it does I listened to him say it.
ETA if it does meet the requirement and I find it then you drop this in the thread, if I can't find it then you can call me a liar and I will give my full throated mea culpa. I am taking a chance since I don't know if every TC show is archived online and even if it is I may not be willing to spend the effort to find it if it proves difficult, but I will still take my licks if I give up.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 8:18 am
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