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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:23 am to Chromdome35
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:23 am to Chromdome35
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1568585600046858241
Link to the source article: https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/09/09/ukraine-seizes-the-initiative-in-the-east
quote:
"A Ukrainian military intelligence source says that the success of the offensive was contingent on American-supplied harm...missiles...It also relied on surface-to-air systems that threatened Russian aircraft: Ukrainian sources single out Germany’s Gepard"
Link to the source article: https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/09/09/ukraine-seizes-the-initiative-in-the-east
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 8:26 am
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Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:23 am to Athanatos
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At what point does the advance stop to regroup and firm up the advance.
From my uninformed and untrained armchair, it would seem like the Oskol River would be a good regrouping point because it creates a barrier to protect the thinned Ukrainian troops on one side.
I don’t pretend to be a military tactician but the logic of the Ukrainian action has been solid and understandable throughout this entire conflict. They will in all likelihood make a real good decision on this.
EDIT: and what Obtuse wrote above. Very logical.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 8:29 am
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:31 am to Chromdome35
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There is reports Russian units are withdrawing from Vovchansk
(Unconfirmed)
One possibility is that it is not the logistics support units but actual combat units crossing back into Russia to take the longer but safer route around to reinforce Kupyansk.
Why does every Ukrainian city and geographic feature have two different spellings in English? Is it Russia v Ukranian?
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:31 am to TBoy
I've been looking at the maps trying to figure out what Ukraine's next move might be. I think you could be right; however the Kupyansk rail yard is on the other side of the river so the Ukrainians will have to establish on both sides.
If you look at a map of the area, there are no major north south roads beyond Kapyunsk for 100KM. There is a minor highway running N/S about 40 miles east of Kapyunsk. I think the Ukranians will take from Kapyunsk south...They will focus on retaking Severdonstk since they can attack from multiple axis.
North of Kupyansk I think they will probably stay on the west side of the river and focus on clearing everything west of the river up to the Russian border. This would give them the strategic city of Vovchansk.
ETA: The Ukranians might go to Savatove, it will become a focal point as it is a crossroads between a major E/W highway and the minor N/S highway 40km from Kapyunsk.
This red line is where i think they will stop.
If you look at a map of the area, there are no major north south roads beyond Kapyunsk for 100KM. There is a minor highway running N/S about 40 miles east of Kapyunsk. I think the Ukranians will take from Kapyunsk south...They will focus on retaking Severdonstk since they can attack from multiple axis.
North of Kupyansk I think they will probably stay on the west side of the river and focus on clearing everything west of the river up to the Russian border. This would give them the strategic city of Vovchansk.
ETA: The Ukranians might go to Savatove, it will become a focal point as it is a crossroads between a major E/W highway and the minor N/S highway 40km from Kapyunsk.
This red line is where i think they will stop.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 8:42 am
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:37 am to Obtuse1
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Why does every Ukrainian city and geographic feature have two different spellings in English? Is it Russia v Ukranian?
Yes, there's the pronunciation differences in Ukrainian vs. Russian and since neither uses the Roman alphabet, there's the additional issue converting alphabets. Neither uses the Roman alphabet, of course, but the Russian Cyrillic alphabet and Ukrainian Cyrillic alphabets aren't entirely the same (they each have 4 letters the other doesn't have).
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:38 am to Palmetto98
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What have they taken back?
The key logistics hub that Russia uses to supply its troops in the Donbas.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:42 am to Obtuse1
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One possibility is that it is not the logistics support units but actual combat units crossing back into Russia to take the longer but safer route around to reinforce Kupyansk
The Ukrainians would do well to make a lot of craters in that highway at and just across the border.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 8:49 am
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:43 am to magildachunks
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A country whose entire history can be summed up in one sentence: And then things got worse.
Even Karl Marx looked at Russia and thought “no wait not these guys. They screw everything up.”
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:48 am to magildachunks
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A country whose entire history can be summed up in one sentence: And then things got worse.
No wonder they invented vodka.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:49 am to Chromdome35
Speaking of HARMs I learned a couple of days ago something, I am sure our resident AF and military airpower enthusiasts already knew, is besides just being a missile it can be used as a sensor array so as to not need a radiation sensor pod.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:53 am to TigerDoc
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Yes, there's the pronunciation differences in Ukrainian vs. Russian and since neither uses the Roman alphabet, there's the additional issue converting alphabets. Neither uses the Roman alphabet, of course, but the Russian Cyrillic alphabet and Ukrainian Cyrillic alphabets aren't entirely the same (they each have 4 letters the other doesn't have).
My Kazakhstani girlfriend is trying to teach me Russian and pronunciation is everything.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:55 am to HeadSlash
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My Kazakhstani girlfriend
There are rules...
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:59 am to TacoNash
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Kremlin media confirming Russian troops left izyum
Holy shite. talk about incredible news to wake up to.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 9:01 am
Posted on 9/10/22 at 9:03 am to HeadSlash
It seems like a tough language.
In the politics of the war, when you're battling over disputed territory, if you convince outsiders to use your pronunciation of place names subtly influences them to see them in one political domain or another. During periods of harsh Russian colonialism, they've banned Ukrainian entirely and in Russian-occupied areas, they're Russifying govt and education. We're reading recently that Ukraine recently stopped teaching Russian in Kiev schools (though probably not across the country).
In the politics of the war, when you're battling over disputed territory, if you convince outsiders to use your pronunciation of place names subtly influences them to see them in one political domain or another. During periods of harsh Russian colonialism, they've banned Ukrainian entirely and in Russian-occupied areas, they're Russifying govt and education. We're reading recently that Ukraine recently stopped teaching Russian in Kiev schools (though probably not across the country).
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 9:05 am
Posted on 9/10/22 at 9:08 am to REG861
Deleted. My first double post
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 9:09 am
Posted on 9/10/22 at 9:09 am to TigerDoc
Cool video
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1568238418596855809
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1568238418596855809
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Heartwarming footage from Ukraine.
An elderly woman freezes when she sees a soldier by her house as she thinks he’s from the Russian Army.
The Ukrainian soldier says “it’s our guys coming” and she gives him a long hug.
This is how liberation after 6 months looks like.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 9:09 am to TacoNash
LOL, same thing with me and my wife this morning.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 9:11 am to Chromdome35
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LOL, same thing with me and my wife this morning.
glad I’m not the only onePosted on 9/10/22 at 9:12 am to Chromdome35
First official Russian Ministry of Defense Statement on Kharkiv area.
Via Rybar
https://t.me/rybar/38571
Lies beget lies
Response from one Russian Milblogger
https://t.me/milinfolive/90250
Via Rybar
https://t.me/rybar/38571
quote:
???????? Official statement of the Russian Ministry of Defense on the situation in the Kharkiv region.
In order to achieve the goals of the NMD, a decision was made to regroup troops in the areas of Balakleya and Izyum in order to build up efforts in the Donetsk direction.
Within three days, an operation was carried out to curtail and transfer the Izyum-Balakliya group of troops to the territory of the DPR.
A number of distracting and demonstration activities were carried out with the designation of the real actions of the troops. In order to prevent damage to the troops of the Russian Federation, a powerful fire defeat was inflicted on the enemy using aviation, missile troops and artillery.
The RF Armed Forces destroyed more than 2,000 Ukrainian and foreign fighters, as well as over 100 pieces of armored vehicles and artillery in three days.
Better late than never. Thank you.
Lies beget lies
Response from one Russian Milblogger
https://t.me/milinfolive/90250
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Here we reproached the Ministry of Defense for keeping silent about the situation taking place in the Kharkiv direction. We take back our words.
It would have been better if they had remained silent.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 9:16 am
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