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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:12 am to
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:12 am to
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Why? Russia's issue in February wasn't the cold and snow but thawed ground which would have been solid several weeks earlier.


It is absolutely easier to defend that terrain in the winter than summer and to add, rising energy pricings for Europe during the winter are going to prove an important issue when trying to send "supplies" to Ukraine...
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11847 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:14 am to
I noticed that. I'm gonna ask that you don't bring up any other thread bete noirs lest you summon them Beetlejuice-style.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97947 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:14 am to
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American ammunition stocks are running low for Ukraine in its war effort against Russia, and the U.S. Department of Defense has been slow to replenish international and domestic supplies, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Consequently, the Journal reports some American officials are concerned the U.S. military's readiness could be exposed.

During the six-month war between Ukraine and Russia, the Pentagon has fortified the Ukrainians with 16 rocket launchers, or HIMARS; and thousands of guns, drones, missiles and other equipment.

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:15 am to
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add, rising energy pricings for Europe during the winter are going to prove an important issue when trying to send "supplies" to Ukraine...


Cost dropped 21% yesterday on realization that it was all overhype driving market up.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17711 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:17 am to
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If this makes it to winter, whatever Territory is held by Russia at that point will likely remain so. It will be a wasteland for years to come.



Surround the Russian units, cut off supplies and starve them out.

The Fins also demonstrated successful winter tactics against Russians
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:17 am to
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Why? Russia's issue in February wasn't the cold and snow but thawed ground which would have been solid several weeks earlier. Is Russia going to send winter gear via parachute to troops west of Kherson? Hell no, they will let them rot rather than risk supplies via air. 100% cannon fodder to them, always have been.


1) What do you think I meant by “grinding down the Ukrainian Army in Kherson?” Of course they’re cannon fodder but cannon fodder can still kill Ukrainian soldiers.

2) Not everything about the winter has to do with frozen ground. The winter there, especially close to the Black Sea means lots of low overcast days. This means less air support and less accurate targeting of precision munitions because drones and satellites can’t find and fix the exact location of Russian equipment near as easily. It’s going to be a bunch of grunts and artillery slugging it out.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:19 am to
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And my wife wonders why I tend to believe in solipsism.


This may confirm your belief. Just 10 years ago we were living in an alternative Universe.
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:19 am to
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don’t think Russia has the manpower to mass enough forces at anyone point on the long front line to conduct a decisive attack anywhere right now. My thinking is they’ll try to grind down as much of the Ukrainian army in Kherson while holding the line as much as possible elsewhere and then hopefully stabilize the lines through the winter. They’re probably hoping the rest of the world gets bored over the winter and quits supplying Ukraine. Then they’ll either just consolidate their gains or mobilize for a reneeed offensive next spring.


This would make a lot of sense, thanks for the response
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12293 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:21 am to
The Russian bots seem to have a different tone to their posts lately. More agitated. Much less confident that they will roll into Kiev within “weeks”.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30448 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:22 am to
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Well if this is an actual Ukraine "offensive", the death toll numbers are going to flip.

It is going to take much more to recapture everything than it was to defend.


As a generalized statement, you are correct. However, the Dnipro river may have something to say about the KIA ratio. If the supply lines across the river fail then the soldiers on the west bank are going to be in a world of hurt. "Fix bayonets" is the 21st-century phrase for we are frickskied.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:23 am to
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As a generalized statement, you are correct. However, the Dnipro river may have something to say about the KIA ratio. If the supply lines across the river fail then the soldiers on the west bank are going to be in a world of hurt. "Fix bayonets" is the 21st-century phrase for we are frickskied.


While true, Ukraine would have to cross it at some point as well correct?
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11847 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:24 am to
Mark Hertling even brought up the term "mini-Falaise pocket". Gotta hope that comes to pass.

ETA:

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While true, Ukraine would have to cross it at some point as well correct?


Yes, and the other side of the Dnipro would certainly be much tougher for the Ukrainians.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 10:26 am
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97947 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:24 am to
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Much less confident that they will roll into Kiev within “weeks”.




I remember when you Z Bros said Belarus was invading Kiev mutiple times
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:25 am to
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If the supply lines across the river fail then the soldiers on the west bank are going to be in a world of hurt. "Fix bayonets"



All good, "higher" will call in a Broken Arrow for them
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45551 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:31 am to
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Ukraine has been counterattacking on Kherson, if I'm not mistaken, for two months now.


No Ukraine has been preparing and laying the ground work for the counter-attack in the south for about 2 months now. OF course you are a Russian so I realize that you might not understand the value of that because Russia has not studied any war that did involve it's armies winning because thinking about how Russian tactics might not be the world best is nekul'turnyy. Which is why Russia's idea of preparing for an offensive involves nothing more than massing a large group of soldiers and tanks and artillery then charging straight at the enemy.

Unlike Russia, Ukraine learned from history. Ukraine used the same strategy in their attack on Kherson that the USA and its coalition partners used in the Gulf War. They spent months knocking out the enemy's supply demos, destroying their logistics, destroying the enemy's anti-air defenses, taking out the enemy's command and control structure, and demoralizing the enemy's soldiers. The strategy that Ukraine has chosen to use worked well for the USA and its allies in the Gulf War who were able to quickly defeat and destroy the enemy in a just a few days. Only time will tell if it works for Ukraine. However, the past 6 months has proven that the strategy that Russia has used so far in the war has failed. Russia has been unable to capture Kyiv and overthrow the Ukrainian government, and it has also failed in its attempt to control all of the Donbas and eastern Ukraine.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:35 am to
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Ukraine learned from history.


The Ukes are doing well, but they have lots help with their planning, lots of help.

The battlefield prep for Kherson really had an American feel
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12293 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:38 am to
Any idea how many civilians remain in Kherson as of now, and would they be able to evacuate?
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
Member since Dec 2020
3128 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:48 am to
Absolutely, and it would be no small task. However, I doubt they would do so without a large amount of prior shelling/bombing to soften everything up. At this point, everyone knows not to attempt D-Day part 2: Ukrainian boogaloo unless they are extremely desperate. Unless factors change radically, I don’t think they seem all that desperate
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:53 am to
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I'm not joining any Russian-language site to see the photos. Host them on imgbb or imgur and then post again.

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Get a tougher skin.

And you want to know the real state of affairs?
Well then you are doing the right thing. Continue further in the same spirit. Why should I then post a photo somewhere if you are too lazy to even follow the link?
And yes, I'm not a girl student. I don't care about hard skin, I just spared your feelings.
Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
3948 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:55 am to
Go away Russian bot
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