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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:54 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:54 am to
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this is an accurate representation of this thread. shout down anyone who doesn't worship at the feet of Vogue magazine model and manlet Zelensky.

Why are you bothering to follow this thread? I thought you knew it all?
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61723 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:57 am to
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Ukraine has developed a fleet of wooden decoys resembling U.S. rocket systems that have tricked Russian forces into wasting expensive long-range cruise missiles on dummy targets,


That’s pretty funny
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
3008 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:57 am to
They died fighting. They should not be there in the 1st place.
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2797 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:58 am to
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I mean by your own reasoning those offensives never happened since the cities weren't captured. Personally, I would call them "Failed Offensives", but the logic you laid out would say these offensives never even happened and Ukraine couldn't possibly be in the middle of a counter offensive since Kherson is still under Russian control. It's some serious mental gymnastics you are displaying.

I never said there isn't a counter offensive in Kherson. my statement was that its another PR stunt by the penis pianist himself Zelensky.

they know it will, Russian know it is meaningless. the west knows its meaningless. the only people who think it will be successful are non-military personnel, Neocons in the ISW and twitter Ukraine bots.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:02 am to
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I never said there isn't a counter offensive in Kherson


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You know this is bullshite. another PR stunt "counter-offensive".


So you are now saying there is an actual counter offensive despite Kherson still being under Russian control? Then why the quotes?
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17711 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:05 am to
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Kherson "counter-offensive". as of this minute Kherson is still under Russian occupation/control.

facts:
1. Russia still holds fire superiority in two main areas of combat. Armor and Artillery superiority over Ukraine.
2. Ukraine has more infantrymen in the area, you can only do so much without support from Artillery and Armor.
3. Ukraine has not taken back Kherson

Nice playing with you. please don't discuss military operations with me if you aren't prior service.


5th generation veteran checking in....

How's that armor and artillery advantage working out for RU? The world's purportedly #2 ranked military couldn't push more than 100miles from its borders before tripping over itself.

Having more artillery doesn't equate to having artillery superiority. Which is better? firing 100K arrows to hit 100 targets... or needing only 100 arrows to hit 100 targets? Ukraine is steadily winning the long range battle

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2. Ukraine has more infantrymen in the area, you can only do so much without support from Artillery and Armor.


You don't need the most armored units, you just need highly motivated crews armed with the best real time information. That paired with anti-armor infantry can deal a decisive blow. Infantry will be what takes Kherson back as the fighting will likely be house to house.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 9:07 am
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:12 am to
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Infantry will be what takes Kherson back as the fighting will likely be house to house.



Kettle the towns for now, then the Russians have a business decision to make.
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2797 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:22 am to
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So you are now saying there is an actual counter offensive despite Kherson still being under Russian control? Then why the quotes?

because counter-offensive means storming the defending side with 3 to 1 odds per military doctrine. success or failure you go all out. this "counter-offensive" was just small skirmishes/harassing fire. no large assault elements to cause significant territorial gain.

as I stated another failed PR stunt by Penis Pianist and the Neocons in the ISW.
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:36 am to
Can someone help me understand why Russia hasn’t made any significant gains lately when they have superior numbers, better arty positions and destroyed all the western weapons including HIMARS?

Are Ukrainian soliders just that much better or is Russia not even really trying and has a secret playbook they are waiting to use?
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:40 am to
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destroyed all the western weapons including HIMARS?



That number currently stands at: 0
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8163 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:43 am to
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please don't discuss military operations with me if you aren't prior service.


Dude go frick yourself with that bullshite.

Just because you drove a truck in the army doesn't make your opinion more valid than anyone else. That said, I do appreciate your service.
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:53 am to
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That number currently stands at: 0


This is why I am trying to understand Ruff's position. He states "can post many sources about destroyed HIMARS...There's a lot more out there, but I don't think it'll be good here."

But then doesn't that suggest that Russia is too incompetent to make gains with an inferior opponent with no western weapons?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:01 am to
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Can someone help me understand why Russia hasn’t made any significant gains lately when they have superior numbers, better arty positions and destroyed all the western weapons including HIMARS? Are Ukrainian soliders just that much better or is Russia not even really trying and has a secret playbook they are waiting to use?


I don’t think Russia has the manpower to mass enough forces at anyone point on the long front line to conduct a decisive attack anywhere right now.

My thinking is they’ll try to grind down as much of the Ukrainian army in Kherson while holding the line as much as possible elsewhere and then hopefully stabilize the lines through the winter. They’re probably hoping the rest of the world gets bored over the winter and quits supplying Ukraine. Then they’ll either just consolidate their gains or mobilize for a reneeed offensive next spring.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30448 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:02 am to
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Nice playing with you. please don't discuss military operations with me if you aren't prior service.


I don't think military service really gives one much insight into deciphering the rag-tag bits of intel we get. Why should you be a gatekeeper when you haven't provided any salient insight regarding the information we have available?
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:03 am to
Well if this is an actual Ukraine "offensive", the death toll numbers are going to flip.

It is going to take much more to recapture everything than it was to defend.

If this makes it to winter, whatever Territory is held by Russia at that point will likely remain so. It will be a wasteland for years to come.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:05 am to
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My thinking is they’ll try to grind down as much of the Ukrainian army in Kherson while holding the line as much as possible elsewhere and then hopefully stabilize the lines through the winter. They’re probably hoping the rest of the world gets bored over the winter and quits supplying Ukraine. Then they’ll either just consolidate their gains or mobilize for a reneeed offensive next spring.


That’s in line with what I was thinking.
Now Ukraine may not let them reorganize that easily. They could put some pressure on them because of their redupply issues.
September could be critical to both sides.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30448 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:08 am to
Less than 12 hours later



And my wife wonders why I tend to believe in solipsism.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:09 am to
Why? Russia's issue in February wasn't the cold and snow but thawed ground which would have been solid several weeks earlier.

Is Russia going to send winter gear via parachute to troops west of Kherson? Hell no, they will let them rot rather than risk supplies via air. 100% cannon fodder to them, always have been.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 10:11 am
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:10 am to
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September could be critical to both sides.



The grown ups think it will be another bad month for the Russians, really bad.

The Ukes want to get territory back while they have the funding and weapons so I dont see an operational break for winter.
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2797 posts
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:10 am to
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Dude go frick yourself with that bullshite.

Just because you drove a truck in the army doesn't make your opinion more valid than anyone else. That said, I do appreciate your service.

I've never driven a truck in the Army. I rode in Strykers and MATV but never personally drove them.

get your facts straight. not saying your opinion is invalid on conflicts if you're not prior service. just stating the fact that it means shite.

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