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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:09 pm to
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:09 pm to
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Uh, Djibouti has military bases for Germany, Spain, Italy, France, the UK, the US, and SA. You explain to me the significance for once.


The only bases of consequence are the US and Chinese bases. Those other countries besides France just get to use a couple buildings on the US base. The separate French base is pretty small. The US actually has two bases there. One at the international airport and another drone base just outside of town which was really only built because DJ didn’t want us flying drones from the big airport anymore.

The Chinese have an actual port and a small runway that’s really not much good for much other than really small planes and helicopters. Really not sure why the even bothered to build it.

Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:19 pm to
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Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:26 pm to
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That one is disproportionate to the extreme. Again: a port large enough to house two full size aircraft carriers. That’s much larger than just a military presence. That a very big signal on their overall plans. The reason for that dock is to take over the Red Sea also known as the second busiest trade route in the world. That’s why they’ve built an excessively large dock there.



It isn't as big a signal as you seem to think it is. That they might want to project power to Africa doesn't mean, by necessity, they will. They are absolutely not going to take over Red Sea trade man, no matter how large their dock is.

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And before the Korean War, China never aligned against us and we saw each other as sister nations. Before Mao, China and the US had very good relations.What the frick does that matter



Because Indian independence and neutrality in foreign affairs is a centerpiece of the Indian approach to geopolitics? That's why it matters man.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:39 pm to
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Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:46 pm to
You must be a little pathetic man to resort to calling people names and attacking them calling them genocidal maniacs and such because literally no one agrees with your absolute ridiculous, batshit stupid views of the world. Just reading how scared you are about China gives me a perfect picture of you cowering in your basement with your canned goods convinced nuclear apocalypse is inevitable from pick a country any country will do. Anyway, proceed to call me genocidal or whatever stupid bullshite it is you say about me because you have no better answer. Cheers!
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Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:49 pm to
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Again what’s more likely: India attacking a nation encroaching on their rights, or their sister nation going to war with the other of only by proxy?


The latter every day.

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By 1844 we were the only country to establish a “Most Favored Nation” policy with them.


Literally means nothing, given that was during the era of colonization. India started the Non-Aligned Movement despite buying weapons from the USSR. If buying weapons wasn't enough to move India directly into the USSR's camp, what makes you think they would suddenly be in the US's where there has been only the beginnings of discussions between the US and India about defense operations?

Again, the Indian approach to geopolitics in the last quarter-century matters. It is directly relevant. You imagining an insane scenario doesn't affect the real world. This is not a video game or a movie. You can't just smoothed away the political aspects of geopolitics because you don't want to deal with them.
Posted by Gravitiger
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:53 pm to
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I’ll spare you the “I told you so” to both the Biden voters and the warmongers in this thread.
Bet you won't
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:56 pm to
India is sticking it to Russia at $40 off per barrel. That's a friend for you.

China is also doing the same to Russia. Thus, another "friend"

They are both doing a favor to Russia though by keeping pipelines and the wells which feed them flowing and the need to rework sanded up idle wells, or at least a lot of wells.
Posted by Gravitiger
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:04 pm to
The US should do what it thinks is best for the US, bar none. India, on the other hand, should not do what it thinks is best for India, because they are supposed to be our friends.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:06 pm to
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Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 6:29 am to
ISW Update

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Ukraine is likely seizing the strategic initiative and forcing Russia to reallocate forces and reprioritize efforts in response to Ukrainian counteroffensive operations.


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The seriousness of the dilemma facing the Russian high command likely depends on Ukraine’s ability to sustain significant counteroffensive operations on multiple axes simultaneously.


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Russian forces are likely operating in five to seven strike groups of unclear size around Bakhmut, based on the Ukrainian General Staff descriptions of Russian assaults in the area.


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Explosions occurred near the Donetsk Drama Theater and Penal Colony #124 in occupied Donetsk City on August 4.[2] Russian media widely publicized the explosions and blamed Ukrainian artillery, but the Ukrainian Office of the President denied any shelling of Donetsk City on August 4


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Key Takeaways

Ukraine is likely seizing the strategic initiative and forcing Russia to reallocate forces and reprioritize efforts in response to Ukrainian counteroffensive operations.

Russian forces attempted to advance northwest of Izyum.

Ukrainian forces conducted a series of localized counterattacks between Izyum and Slovyansk and regained positions in a number of settlements.

Russian forces continued ground attacks northeast and south of Bakhmut.

Russian troops continued attempts to advance on Pisky and conducted a limited ground attack southwest of Donetsk City.

Russian forces continued to transfer equipment and personnel to northeastern Kherson and western Zaporizhia Oblasts.
Posted by jeffsdad
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 6:42 am to
Appreciate the war update stormy. its good to see it and not the polititards debating politics on our board. stupid sewage.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 6:54 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 5 August 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Following five months of occupation, Russia's intentions regarding the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant remain unclear. However, the actions they have undertaken at the facility have likely undermined the security and safety of the plant's normal operations.

Russian forces are probably operating in the regions adjacent to the power station and have used artillery units based in these areas to target Ukrainian territory on the western bank of the Dnipro river.

Russian forces have probably used the wider facility area, in particular the adjacent city of Enerhodar, to rest their forces, utilising the protected status of the nuclear power plant to reduce the risk to their equipment and personnel from overnight Ukrainian attacks.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 7:06 am to
I remember that a few days ago, per FIRMS, there as an Ukrainian artillery strike (HIMARS?) adjacent to the plant on the south side.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 7:09 am to
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But Amnesty International turned its sights on Ukraine on Thursday, releasing a report that accused Ukrainian forces of putting civilian lives at risk. The report quickly drew fierce condemnation from Ukrainian officials. The report said that Ukrainian soldiers had set up military bases in schools and hospitals and had launched strikes from residential areas, drawing retaliatory Russian fire that put civilians at risk. Amnesty said that it had documented a pattern of Ukraine violating the laws of war when its forces operated in populated areas. The residential areas where Ukrainian soldiers based themselves were usually not the only option available to them, according to the report, which said that there were “military bases or densely wooded areas nearby” that they could have used instead.


This is a NY Times report based on Amnesty International’s findings so take it FWIW.

Now I’m not saying that Ukrainians shouldn’t be using civilian and residential areas as military positions. It’s likely they’re only real option. I’d be doing the same. I also don’t take blame away from Russia because without the invasion none of this would be an issue in the first place. What I will say is that the VAST majority of reports about Russians shelling civilian areas for the sole purpose of killing unarmed civilians are false and just blatant propaganda to get childish people to say things like “orcs.” The Russians are trying to kill Ukrainian soldiers who happen to be positioned in civilian areas the vast vast majority of the time.
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 7:52 am to
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The Russians are trying to kill Ukrainian soldiers who happen to be positioned in civilian areas the vast vast majority of the time

This doesn’t explain the Russian tactic of using artillery and tanks to completely level every building in towns just because they can. The Russian tactics are infinitely worse. Besides, all this would stop if Russia would position its military in its own country.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 7:59 am to
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This doesn’t explain the Russian tactic of using artillery and tanks to completely level every building in towns just because they can


I mean, that’s exactly what it does
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 8:00 am to
Russian warship Vasily Bykov destroyed by ZSU near Sevastopol, this morning.
20 sailors missing. Harpoon missile probably was used.

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UPDATE:

Russian warship of "Vasiliy Bykov" type entered Sevastopol bay with a stern damaged by fire

Reports about Russian ship of the same type covered in smoke appeared yesterday but Ukrainian military didn't release official information about strikes.

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Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 8:10 am to
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The Russians are trying to kill Ukrainian soldiers who happen to be positioned in civilian areas the vast vast majority of the time.


So exactly what are the Ukranians to do? Abandon cities, towns and villages and let the Russians walk in?

It’s all out war. People are going to die. Tell Russia to go hone. If they do the shelling will stop.

The shelling and rocket attacks in civilian targets miles behind the front is what should be criticized. Attacks like the one at the train station and like the one in Odessa.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 8:11 am to
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So exactly what are the Ukranians to do? Abandon cities, towns and villages and let the Russians walk in?


Did you read my post?
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