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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:20 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:20 am to
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You are the one who somehow doesn't see the difference between crossing a border and moving it.


No, you said respect borders. I'm holding you to what you fricking said, Che.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:20 am to
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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:21 am to
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I think if anything the World War I example points in my direction since if these large powers minded their own business, then it would have never happened.



Its a faaaar better example, but the very average poster here knows jack shite about anything that isn't a TV miniseries.

If Austria Hungary had taken Serbia without outside alliances, no WWI OR WWII.
This post was edited on 7/5/22 at 11:24 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42788 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:21 am to
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We should probably spend more on Ukraine considering how well that money spent in Afghanistan went to defeating the bad dudes.


We crushed the bad dudes sbd eventually took out OBL.
The war went great and pay back was given.

The problem was we tried to make Afghanistan something it will never be, a real nation.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:22 am to
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We should probably spend more on Ukraine considering how well that money spent in Afghanistan went to defeating the bad dudes.

We crushed the bad dudes sbd eventually took out OBL.


Who has control of the country?
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:23 am to
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Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:25 am to
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Ukraine was never going to win. Russia is fighting with limited men and equip, they could easily overwhelm the Ukraine. We need them to negotiate for peace, not spread this war. We are subsidizing war.


I will throw you a bone here. Now seems like a good time to try and negotiate a peace settlement. Putin has Luhansk and can now claim a Pyrrhic victory. Russian troops are on a break. Ukraine still has 70 percent of the country. On paper I agree with you. Time for a negotiated settlement.

Problem is I see zero chance Putin abides by the terms. As long as Ukraine has self governance, he’ll claim Russia is threatened (and LARPers like sir Winston and Lima will lap it up) and keep encroaching if not outright launching another invasion.

Best case is we reach a settlement and there is some sort of DMZ along the current battle lines, and even in that case Ukrainian nationalists will be rebelling in the captured parts of the Donbas.
This post was edited on 7/5/22 at 11:26 am
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29109 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:26 am to
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No, you said respect borders. I'm holding you to what you fricking said, Che.
I see, so you struggle with context.

Again, do you not understand the difference between nations respecting borders vs individuals crossing them? It's a really simple question, and if you can't answer it then that would explain why you come across as an absolute dumbass in every post. I imagine it's tough to understand language if you have no concept of context.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:28 am to
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Best case is we reach a settlement and there is some sort of DMZ along the current battle lines, and even in that case Ukrainian nationalists will be rebelling in the captured parts of the Donbas.


People deserve the type of government they choose. My hope is this is what happens and some treaty will recognize that.

But my biggest question is this:

Since we are not tied by treaty to Ukraine, why can't this be Europe's problem and not ours?

People love intervention, despite the pleas to the opposite at times. I don't support neither side, and think non interventionism is the proper approach for us, across a continent and an ocean away. Let Europe run this operation.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:30 am to
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Whatever, Bolton.



frick you. I'm completely anti-war and have been for longer than you've followed politics. I didn't start this war, Russia did.

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But hasn’t happened yet. It happens, I change my mind, but no, you have not convinced Putin is Hitlerlian.



Again naïve.

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This invasion has gone poorly enough for Russia that I’m relatively confident China isn’t going to invade Taiwan anytime soon since it’s a far, far more difficult invasion than Russia invading Ukraine. Like at minimum it would have to have four times the invasion force of Normandy, the landing beaches are much smaller and are on the other side of the island, and they will know the Chinese are coming long in advance. And that’s just the initial invasion, nevertheless sending in reinforcements and supplying their forces.



I genuinely can't trust your analysis, because everything you've said about Ukraine also applies to Taiwan. Outside of the idea that you think Taiwan's chip foundries have some special magic that they do not possess, you've made the argument that protecting Taiwan is pointless for the same reasons providing aid to Ukraine are pointless.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:31 am to
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I see, so you struggle with context.


I used your exact words.

You are really dumb.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42788 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:31 am to
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The points just go completely over you warmongers heads. When I say we shouldn’t be spending this cash, y’all respond where should we spend that cash? The fact that we shouldn’t be spending it in the first place is the point.

We make promises and we need to keep them.

We promised to protect. We promised to defend them if attacked. If China attacked Taiwan, should we just look the other way now?

We made promises to Ukraine. We need to keep them so Russia and China know that we keep our promises. If we don’t there would be more wars.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29109 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:32 am to
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I used your exact words.
And applied them to a different context.
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You are really dumb.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:32 am to
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Yeah, great use of a trillion dollars there.


Considering the people who were in charge are again in charge... It was a colossal waste in every possible way.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:35 am to
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And applied them to a different context.


Does border mean something different in your little bubble, Che?

I used your exact words. Your shitty communication skills aren't my issue.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45766 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:36 am to
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The battle for the Donbas has been characterised by slow rates of advance and Russia's massed employment of artillery, levelling towns and cities in the process. The fighting in Donetsk Oblast will almost certainly continue in this manner. So Russia is leveling towns and cities because they want to be Russian? Thxs for the good war reports.


No they are supporting the LPR and DPR liberate themselves. The Russians are focusing on incorporating the Kherson and Zaporizihia oblasts into Russia before the Ukrainians counterattack causes those oblasts to be destroyed like the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts are. Russia is going to leave the LPR and DPR remain separate nations so they don’t have to pay to repair them.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:37 am to
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We make promises and we need to keep them.


Good. Lets do that all across the board. Start by returning all native land, including national parks, to the natives.

We promised Hungary help in a coup against the Soviets in 1956, and Ike chose to protect the American population and taxpayer first. That's why he's considered one of the best.

I guess y'all think Ike was a pussy.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29109 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:40 am to
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I used your exact words. Your shitty communication skills aren't my issue.
Your failure to understand what "respect borders" means in the context of nations at war vs what it means in the context of immigration is absolutely your issue. Problem is it seems you will never grasp language so we all have to deal with you and your lack of comprehension.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 11:41 am to
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Your failure to understand what "respect borders"


Gotcha. So you don't respect borders. You only respect borders when its convenient for your argument.

I baited you with the precise question of do you respect borders, you said yes.

You lied.
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