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Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:15 pm to OMLandshark
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If they attacked Saudi Arabia, then I’d say we should have gone to war.
Your problem is you’re reactionary to a fault that it makes the inevitable harder. You are Neville Chamberlain yelling at Wilson and Kissinger oblivious to both strategies being inherently greatly flawed.
You want us to sacrifice ukraine at the alter because you think it will help the global economic situation with no thought that the next country after ukraine will just be the same general political struggle with massive Russian sanctions to exacerbate the current problem again. And then the next country. And then maybe it’s a Baltic country next and then we are in WWIII you’re so hysterical about. Why not try to head it off at the pass avoid massive loss of life and much more severe consequences?
Putin himself is basically telegraphing his ambition, which aligns with historical Russian foreign policy. We’ve been here before with Russia. We’ve been here before with Germany. You want to ignore all of that and just let it all repeat again and then you’ll sit in your corner at home crying about WWIII and why we didn’t do anything to stop it when we could.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:17 pm to SOSFAN
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If the end result is in evitable than shouldn't Ukraine go to the table now while they still have some power instead of waiting to the end when they have nothing?
This is a political question, but they know better than we do.
Can Russia be trusted? Could they be trusted to do what they promised in a settlement? Looking from a historical perspective, we know the answer don’t we?
Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:19 pm to DabosDynasty
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You want us to sacrifice ukraine at the alter because you think it will help the global economic situation with no thought that the next country after ukraine will just be the same general political struggle with massive Russian sanctions to exacerbate the current problem again. And then the next country. And then maybe it’s a Baltic country next and then we are in WWIII you’re so hysterical about. Why not try to head it off at the pass avoid massive loss of life and much more severe consequences?
According to many posters in this thread the Russian army is incompetent and has been all but destroyed by Ukraine. How are they going to invade 3 more countries?
Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:24 pm to OMLandshark
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frick off, John Bolton. Sorry to warmongers, neocons, and Ukrainians, but we’ve got major, major problems over here that are worse than they’ve been since the Great Depression. We’re just lighting cash on fire and fricking ourselves over more.
Do you really think that the US government or any combination of state, local, and federal governments would use that money to fix problems at home?
The Flint Michigan water crisis have been going on since 2014. That that means that it has been going on under three different Presidents (Obama, Trump, and Biden), complete republican control of the legislative branch and executive branch, split government, and complete democrat control of the legislative branch, 4 years of a republican governor of Michigan, and 4 years of a democrat governor of Michigan. Yet, nothing od substance has occurred to fix it. California had 7 years of average to above average precipitation in between major droughts to increase its water supply by building desalination plants or repairing aging dams to withstand the force of reservoirs holding more and yet once again nothing of substance has occurred. Mental health issues have been a crisis in the at least since the VaTech shooter in 2007, but nothing substantial has been done on the federal level, state level, or local levels in any part of the country. Since the best prediction of future action is past action, the US government is not going to do jack shite to fix problems at home any time soon regardless of what party is in power.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:28 pm to WeeWee
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Since the best prediction of future action is past action, the US government is not going to do jack shite to fix problems at home any time soon regardless of what party is in power.
Soooo……what does this mindset tell you about the future of the Ukrainian war?
Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:28 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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According to many posters in this thread the Russian army is incompetent and has been all but destroyed by Ukraine. How are they going to invade 3 more countries?
Incompetent in certain areas, yes. Underperforming, yes?
But certainly a huge force which had attacked three or four countries over the last few decades. Why do you think they will stop?
Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:32 pm to doubleb
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Why do you think they will stop?
Well I heard they can’t even get replacements for the troops that have been killed or wounded in Ukraine. Where are they going to get the manpower to invade the Baltics, which have been recieving NATO training and equipment for a couple decades now.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:35 pm to DabosDynasty
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:37 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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According to many posters in this thread the Russian army is incompetent and has been all but destroyed by Ukraine. How are they going to invade 3 more countries?
Against a large country with 8+ years of western training, intelligence, and western weapons support the last 4+ months. If we’d done nothing the war is probably already over, Putin is planning the next domino, and on and on. As many have stated, they still have the size and willingness to sacrifice countless men advantage. Lot easier to utilize that when you lose a fraction of what they have now because we did nothing and bolsters their sense of pride and domestic support. Also as discussed, this is larger than just Ukraine/Russia because it seems decently clear the western action has delayed Chinese plans for Taiwan.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:37 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Well I heard they can’t even get replacements for the troops that have been killed or wounded in Ukraine. Where are they going to get the manpower to invade the Baltics, which have been recieving NATO training and equipment for a couple decades now.
I never said they’d invade the Baltics. There are other small ex Soviet nations to conquer.
Russia will always get manpower. They get that cheap. I’m not buying into all the Russia is running out of bodies thing.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:41 pm to WeeWee
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:41 pm to doubleb
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I never said they’d invade the Baltics. There are other small ex Soviet nations to conquer.
Sorry, Dabos did. And if they invade one of the random Stans, I really don’t give a shite.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:44 pm to OMLandshark
Domestic covid tyranny /= foreign policy intervention like you think. The equivalent analogy would have been for the citizens to he’s our own tyranny off at the pace and not take that bullshite, but we didn’t. Compare tyranny to tyranny not tyranny to a virus.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:44 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:46 pm to DabosDynasty
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 2:49 pm to OMLandshark
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Also keep in mind that everyone in this thread cheering on this war don’t give a single frick about what we’ve been doing in Syria, Libya, Yemen, or Somalia. So I’m not going to hear it how I’m the heartless one when all that’s going on.
Assumes facts not in evidence
Posted on 7/3/22 at 3:22 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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has been all but destroyed by Ukraine.
Why do you stupid frickers keep making stuff up like this?
Posted on 7/3/22 at 3:46 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Almost all it should be state and local responsibility.
Post Hurricane Audrey in 1957, there was a lot of concern in Cameron Parish, LA that accepting help from the Feds would be loss of freedom of self governance to some extent.
Post Hurricane Audrey in 1957, there was a lot of concern in Cameron Parish, LA that accepting help from the Feds would be loss of freedom of self governance to some extent.
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