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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:49 pm to
Posted by DabosDynasty
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:49 pm to
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Multiple bud arse explosions in Belgorod, RU this morning.

That giant crater in the middle of housing screams Russian false flag. I wonder if this could be the catalyst for an invasion from Belarus?


Seeing some tweets that it was an ammo depot. Some tweets that the middle was hit by Russian missile defense and this was the result. Could explain civilian hit, at least it looks like a civilian structure. Didn’t see anything in the video that appeared the missile was hit or diverted in anyway, but not much to see from the video either.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:54 pm to
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I don’t know what you mean by your second sentence.


I'm saying when the Russian's are perceived to be the victors by the world, they can march around a lot of Europe with impunity. I feel bad for Georgia, Ukraine in total, some of the stahns, Moldova and god knows what other countries. In my opinion they need to be stopped.
Posted by sugar71
NOLA
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:56 pm to
LINK The list of weapons Ukraine gave up for Security assurances from the US, France, UK, Russia, China, etc...

176 ICBM launchers with 1,240 warheads( 14 more w/o warheads).Several dozen bombers with 600 missiles. 3,000 tactical nukes. Nuclear non proliferation talks have taken a hit. Ukraine, Iraq, Libya are prime examples to weaker nations like Iran about security assurances to denuclearize or not pursue nukes.

Pakistan & N Korea refused international efforts to stop their nuclear programs. Maybe they were right not to trust guaranteed security assurances.





Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:56 pm to
In the meantime a big slap in Putin's face.

#Tokayev's big demarche

The aggressive colonial policy of the #Putinregime is beginning to bear fruit. Instead of strengthening #Russia's position on a global scale, there is a decline in its role even at the regional level. While Russian propagandists are bathing the "boss" in a warm bath of false myths about the restoration of a great empire, completely different processes are taking place in the world.

A series of painful blows to the aggressor country was inflicted by the President of #Kazakhstan, KassymJomart Tokayev . He, instead of pandering to Putin, made it clear right at his home: Russian imperial amateur performance does not inspire the slightest empathy. Due to the many moves of one senile, integration projects in the post-Soviet space are now in question. After the invasion of Ukraine, Kazakhstan is looking at its northern neighbor with apprehension. In the country, a huge number of people oppose the catastrophic destruction of a sovereign country by Russian occupiers, who kill Ukrainians just because they are Ukrainians.
That is why Tokayev emphasized two points. Firstly, there can be no question of Kazakh politics being fixated on the #Russian Federation: only a pragmatic multi-vector approach. In addition, the reality has changed a lot, which means that the EAEU needs reforms. Here is a hint that an isolated Russia now depends on Kazakhstan more than vice versa. Its weight has fallen, and therefore it is time for the Kremlin to descend to the sinful earth.

Secondly, in Kazakhstan there are different opinions about Russia's "special military operation". The statements of individual Russian deputies on the subject of the need to annex Northern Kazakhstan are well remembered here. After that, a widening crack began in relations between the two countries, which caused damage to the Russian Federation itself. After all, Kazakhstan, just like Ukraine, voluntarily renounced nuclear weapons...

It was simply a shock to the entire Russian politicians sitting in the SPIEF hall when Tokayev said in Putin's face that Kazakhstan cannot recognize quasi-state entities. This means the collapse of all Russian rhetoric about the "SVO" to "protect" the Donbass. Putin, from excitement, could not even pronounce the name of his counterpart. Tokayev also broadcasts the #Chinese position, which considers the creation of quasi-republics by the Russian Federation as a measure to undermine Chinese territorial integrity. Russia with such predatory habits is not expected even in the east.

Tokaev's refusal to accept the Order of Alexander Nevsky from them completed the humiliation of the Russians.

In general, everything is so bad that Russian propagandists were ordered to bypass the Kazakh topic by the tenth road.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:57 pm to
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Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:57 pm to
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DabosDynasty

For context, where the hell is Bologrod?
If it is in Ukraine, yeah, they are going to take a lot of incoming. That's the Russian MO.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:59 pm to
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That giant crater in the middle of housing screams Russian false flag. I wonder if this could be the catalyst for an invasion from Belarus?

I don't think our side sits around and let's Belarus join the fray. Where is the CIA and NATO equivalent of Mossad when you need them?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:00 pm to
Who maintains these process units? I can all but guarantee that it isn't all Russian workers, not if they want things done correctly
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:06 pm to
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For context, where the hell is Bologrod?


Belgorod is about 40km inside the Russian border about 80km from Kharkiv.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8685 posts
Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:07 pm to
France is sending a large number of armored vehicles as well as 6 more CAESAR self propelled howitzers which makes 9 so far. This along with the 8 HIMARS we are sending them, the 12 PHz2000 Germany and the Netherlands sent and the 3 (initially) M270’s from the UK are very precise heavy weapons that can have a large impact even in small numbers if deployed the correct way to take out high value targets, mostly at night. The Russians don’t have precise weapons of this caliber that can compare with the western units. Hopefully they will continue to use these not as frontline attack weapons but as surgical strike systems that harass command and control plus supply lines beyond the reach of normal artillery. Russia still has a big advantage in normal artillery but they can make things a lot more difficult for them with these new state of the art systems.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
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Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:10 pm to
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But without the US there is no NATO


Good
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:12 pm to
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The list of weapons Ukraine gave up for Security assurances from the US, France, UK, Russia, China, etc...

176 ICBM launchers with 1,240 warheads( 14 more w/o warheads).Several dozen bombers with 600 missiles. 3,000 tactical nukes. Nuclear non proliferation talks have taken a hit. Ukraine, Iraq, Libya are prime examples to weaker nations like Iran about security assurances to denuclearize or not pursue nukes.

Pakistan & N Korea refused international efforts to stop their nuclear programs. Maybe they were right not to trust guaranteed security assurances.


Ukraine shouldn’t have given them up. Seems to have worked out well for Pakistan. NK is the one where maybe if they had stopped and not acted like loons unification could have occurred and they’d be so much better off. Or even continues two state Korea but with more reasonable relations and NK not being a reclusive nation shut off from everyone but China.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:13 pm to
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Belgorod is about 40km inside the Russian border about 80km from Kharkiv.


Thank you. Apologies for the misspelling which may have lead to confusion.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:17 pm to
Putin sat within three feet of Tokayev recently at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum and made the comment that he believed that all of the former Soviet Union territories were "traditional Russian lands" in his opinion. He even made the comment that the northern part of Kazakhstan was basically a wasteland and uninhabited until Russians settled it. I wonder what Tokayev thought of those comments?

The man is bat shite crazy. While Putin apologists continue to insist that he is not out to grab territory but only wants to de-nazify regions. Recently a senior Russian government official declared that the Baltics, Poland and Kazakhstan need to be de-nazified!
This post was edited on 7/3/22 at 9:01 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:21 pm to
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I’m calling bullshite


The threat worked. Zelensky did a 180 on his peace platform , and publicly awarded the man a medal.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24292 posts
Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:22 pm to
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Good


But unfortunately for you, there is NATO.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:22 pm to
Ukraine didn’t have the codes, and the technology to crack the codes didn’t exist. Doesn’t exist now.

They did what they could and traded them for cash.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:27 pm to
Russia is massively more powerful than Georgia, and they’re also Georgia’s most important trade partner. Georgia will never be able to escape that, it’s geography, their only option is to find a way to live with it. Just the way it is.

This is a geographic reality for all these smaller countries on Russia’s periphery.
This post was edited on 7/2/22 at 10:46 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:40 pm to
TE Lawrence wrote in The Seven Pillars, “he was old and wise, which meant tired and disappointed.”
Posted by sugar71
NOLA
Member since Jun 2012
9967 posts
Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:40 pm to
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Ukraine shouldn’t have given them up. Seems to have worked out well for Pakistan. NK is the one where maybe if they had stopped and not acted like loons unification could have occurred and they’d be so much better off.
Absolutely. N Korean regime is insane , but the point is that they desperately want to survive. There is no way they are trusting the the US( West) , China , etc....with guarantees of their sovereignty/ security if they give up their nukes. Pakistan didn't trust & felt nukes was a must. I'm sure Iran is watching this as well.


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