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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:21 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:21 pm to OMLandshark
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Russian forces entered Lysychansk and advanced within the city on July 2, likely after Ukrainian forces conducted a controlled withdrawal from the city. Kremlin-sponsored outlet RIA Novosti claimed that Russian forces seized Lysychansk, but it is unclear if Russian forces fully cleared and secured the city.[8] Geolocated footage showed Russian forces hanging a red banner in Lysychansk‘s city center and walking around the city’s northern neighborhood.[9] Chechen units also advanced to the southeastern part of Lysychansk, with geolocated footage showing them outside the Lysychansk City Council building.[10] The footage in both areas shows Russian forces freely walking around the city and taking group photos, suggesting that Ukrainian defenders had already withdrawn. Ukrainian officials did not announce a withdrawal from Lysychansk, but the Ukrainian General Staff notably did not discuss any Ukrainian defensive activity around Lysychansk.[11] Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov claimed earlier in the day that Russian forces have encircled Ukrainian forces in Lysychansk and noted that Chechen units were preparing for street fights and full-scale attack to seize the city, but then announced that Russian forces had captured the city in full.[12] The inconsistencies in Kadyrov’s claims may suggest that Russian forces expected to face remaining Ukrainian resistance in the city but found that the Ukrainians had instead withdrawn.
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Russian military leadership continues to rely on ad hoc composite units to support offensive operations in Ukraine. Russian media reported on July 2 that a volunteer battalion of the 200th Motorized Rifle Brigade of the Northern Fleet is preparing to deploy to Ukraine.[29] This battalion consists of reservists, volunteers, military policemen, servicemembers from coastal defense units, and sailors from various naval vessels, which likely means that the volunteers are inadequately trained and do not have the requisite infantry experience to be effective in high-intensity combat. Some of the servicemembers of the battalion notably fought in the early stages of the war and are being redeployed.[30] The composite nature of this battalion indicates that Russian military leadership continues to struggle with proper and consistent constitution of combat-ready units.
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:22 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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there are always nefarious ulterior motives for anything the US does on the world stage
Well duh.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:23 pm to REG861
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The will of the people was clearly to join Russia.
Why on earth would they give their lives in this war then? They could drop their arms and swear allegiance to the other side and be done with it. I just can't understand why they put their lives on the line if they really want to be part of Russia??
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:24 pm to OMLandshark
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I do differentiate them, but there are tens of millions of people in this country that think this about Zelensky and need to be slapped for it:
1. I doubt that many Americans think that of Zelenskyy. We’d be lucky if that many even know his name and appearance.
2. Some days on this board make me question whether or not more Americans think of Putin in a similar light
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:30 pm to DabosDynasty
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This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:36 pm to OMLandshark
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While they don’t think of him as a deity, my parents pretty much do saying he’s a true hero and we need to give Ukraine everything they need. And they’re on the Right. Sorry it’s tens of millions of Americans that think some variation of that.
So you’re extrapolating your two parents and maybe a handful of posters on here to tens of millions of Americans because they’re on the right?
Majority of the people around me don’t have much of a clue what’s going on in Ukraine, even the ones who actually care about politics. It’s more likely most people are simply aware it’s going on and not much else. They probably see some of the news of us helping Ukraine and blaming Putin for everything and that’s about it. The average American simply doesn’t care as much as either of us would like them to about anything beyond their direct lives.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:36 pm to OMLandshark
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Absolutely the Poliboard disgusts me in their defense of Putin. The problem with this war is the truth is in the middle, and you’re shat on by both sides if you dare say it’s nuanced even if you say Putin is clearly the one in the wrong.
Ok, what is the US supposed to do then? A big never mind? Turn around and run? No 300,000 troops for NATO? You have opinions but never offer your viewpoint of the solution to this difficult problem. I get it you don't care for Ukraine.
As as addendum, this dependence on Russian oil/nat gas is going to bite all of us in the arse.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:40 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:44 pm to OMLandshark
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This is a European affair. Woodrow Wilson convinced you we should stick our nose into everything.
You know if the US was not there to assist, a dictator with nuclear weapons could slice up Europe like a hot knife in butter. The US has to be involved because they're are really bad guys out there running nations. So in that regard your solutions are too simplistic. But I appreciate your answer.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:49 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:54 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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You know if the US was not there to assist, a dictator with nuclear weapons could slice up Europe like a hot knife in butter.
A weak Europe is because we supplied and subsidized their defense for decades. Time for them to stand on their own.
There's no reason for us to be involved, outside of rich cronies.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:02 pm to OMLandshark
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If he directly attacks a member of NATO, then yes we’re there.
Except in your scenarios we shouldn't be the world's policeman. But without the US there is no NATO and no mechanism for Europe to withstand yet another dictatorial regime. Do you get my line of reasoning at all? The way I read you is that unless it is NATO then we bow out. But our NATO allies may have an opinion on this. So in reality we are involved in everything in Europe. And we have to continuously work the problems.
In my opinion, we can't let Russia conquer or absorb any non-NATO country for the purpose of a buffer. And they've blown that anyway now that Finland and Sweden are coming aboard. So the problem exists. I do believe if we can't help Ukraine win then we should make Ukraine negotiate an end to this. And I heard on a UK video that indeed in the recent discussions in Spain they discussed the eventual need for Ukraine to negotiate. But if they negotiate a cease fire with Russia and split up territory, then the EU should be able to guaranty the survival and defense of what remains of Ukraine. Ukraine should not give up their remaining Black Sea port.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:02 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Ukraine has lost the core of their army sez who?
The Ukrainian soldiers are saying it
One special forces detachment that was sent to Severodonetsk took 80% casualties. They had spent the last four years fighting together. Now all those men have been replaced by largely untrained recruits.
The first articles talking about this problem popped up in April, and they’ve continued all summer.
The Ukrainians are conducting a static defense, which is why, beyond the disparity in firepower, their casualties are so awful. Once a Ukrainian position is identified, the Russians shell it until it’s destroyed.
Some communities will be severely hurt by this.
The losses in the territorial defense forces, will hit like the deaths in the British Pals Battalions.
This post was edited on 7/2/22 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:11 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Lima Whiskey
Then the Ukrainians should be negotiating an end to this with vigor. I suspect the Russian could kick our asses if it came to that right? And we should stop sending armaments to them that will end up in the hands of the Russians.
You know the Russian are going to be a little full of themselves after all this. It could change the world order. And that's what Vlad wanted anyway.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:11 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:25 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:26 pm to DabosDynasty
Multiple big arse explosions in Belgorod, RU this morning.
That giant crater in the middle of housing screams Russian false flag. I wonder if this could be the catalyst for an invasion from Belarus?
That giant crater in the middle of housing screams Russian false flag. I wonder if this could be the catalyst for an invasion from Belarus?
This post was edited on 7/2/22 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:32 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Then the Ukrainians should be negotiating an end to this with vigor.
I think it was the head of Azov who once threatened to lynch Zelensky, if he betrayed the country (ie made peace).
Negotiations are not a political possibility.
I don’t know what you mean by your second sentence.
To your point though, to get the best negotiated outcome, we should (in this scenario) keep the aid flowing, and make every effort to increase it. Otherwise Kiev has very little leverage over Moscow.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:42 pm to Lima Whiskey
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This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:42 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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I'd be interested in knowing how the Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians and Polish feel about all of this
Many pages back I posted aid as a percent of GDP. Estonia and Latvia were the highest IIRC
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