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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/23/22 at 3:53 pm to TacoNash
Posted on 6/23/22 at 3:53 pm to TacoNash
While theoretically all of the Russian occupied territories fall within the zone of HIMARS missile systems, the issue really is that Ukraine will have no more than 20 of the systems from the US and Western allies. I hope that's enough to be useful.
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:04 pm to Athanatos
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I am just looking forward to see some rockets fly eastbound
Oh there is gonna be a lot of stuff headed East. Remember less than 10% of the last round of military aid has gotten to the front(s).
Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:11 pm to Athanatos
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I am just looking forward to see some rockets fly eastbound.
You know the Ukrainians want to lob some missiles into Russia, they are just worried they'll wake Joe up from his stupor and lose the golden goose.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:24 pm to TBoy
They will be useful if deployed correctly. Luckily the HIMARS is very fast to set up, fire and then bring back to mobile stage to get rolling again so if the Ukrainians are smart about it and they have been so far with the weapons given to them they can be used to take out specific high value targets. These systems won’t be used in artillery duals against Russian trenches but more like command and control areas, supply lines and grouped armor/infantry columns where they can do the most damage. Then they have to haul arse back west out of the danger zone. Russia will always have more guns but quality can make a difference against quantity if used wisely. Eventually other European countries are going to have to step up and supply more howitzers and ammunition though.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:31 pm to LSUPilot07
Some consistent reports from multiple fronts that 1 or 2 of every 10 152s fired by the Russians is not going boom. Could be a bad lot but its odd its consistent over several fronts.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:39 pm to Lakeboy7
It’s not odd at all. This is universal across the Russian military. Everything that have is older or not correctly maintained. There’s no telling how old some of those shells are and what god forsaken freezing hell home warehouse they have been stored in since the Cold War. I’m actually surprised they can get 8 out 10 to detonate. This is why time is on Ukraines side. Even Russia’s large stockpiles will take a hit with the extreme rate they are firing so it will be interesting to see how long they can keep that intensity up before having to scale back. There is evidence that is already happening in areas. Meanwhile Ukraine might only have about 250 western heavy howitzers but they hit their targets at a far higher rate than Russia’s 50 year old 152mm guns can and you can bet the western guns go boom every time they are fired.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:44 pm to Jim Rockford
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Russia has even less manufacturing capacity than we do and they're in the process of burning through all the weapons and ammo they had stockpiled. That's not a renewable resource. It's a cold war legacy they'll never be able to replace.
Problem is we may not be going up against Russia, or just Russia in the future. We buy everything from China, they can switch over to military production much faster than we can. We are like old people in the nursing home now compared to WW2 when it comes to raw production.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:45 pm to LSUPilot07
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There’s no telling how old some of those shells are and what god forsaken freezing hell home warehouse they have been stored in since the Cold War
Good point. The way I heard it is these may be new production issues. Which would mean they have burned through the old stock.
Either way not healthy for tube life if you arent getting the boom on 10-20% of your fires.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:56 pm to Lakeboy7
There’s only so many rounds a howitzer tube can fire before needing to be replaced. Warping occurs and obviously throws off accuracy. Russia’s guns were already ancient and had been sitting up for years so it’s anyones guess how many rounds they can take. Each piece is different. They can’t keep up the rate of fire they have been using forever though that’s not up for debate. I’d be scared to fire some of their equipment honestly. Probably a coin toss wether you blow your own nuts off in the process.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:05 pm to ned nederlander
The only flaw in the comparison between now and then is Nazi Germany was a legitimate world threat. Putin's Russia can't even overwhelm a third-rate country like present day Ukraine.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:07 pm to CitizenK
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The water in the river is not that deep for men to cross especially with support from high ground overlooking all of it. There was no encirclement
Not only that but both the BTR and the BMP are amphibious vehicles and can drive off the road and swim the river and then drive back onto the road.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:14 pm to RLDSC FAN
Its over Ukraine is collapsing
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:22 pm to Strannix
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1540065147393302528
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Lysychansk Direction/North Of Popasna Frontline Update:
Russian forces are advancing North and North East of Zolote towards Lysychans'k and Verkn'okam'yanka.
Ukrainian forces withdrew from Zolote to more defensible positions around Vovchoyarivka after the Toskivka defence fell
The advances north of Zolote are not what people make it out to be.
Russians have been attacking with everything they have in this area and only have made minimal gains.
In the grand scheme of things these attacks mean nothing. They will be stopped.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:22 pm to Strannix
Dont listen to me, go to CNN, NBC etc.
Its only a matter of time, lol hyper low IQ Zelensky fan boys.
The Ukrainian fronts are collapsing as the Russians are making rapid gains
Its only a matter of time, lol hyper low IQ Zelensky fan boys.
The Ukrainian fronts are collapsing as the Russians are making rapid gains
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:23 pm to Strannix
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hyper low IQ Zelensky fan boys.
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Its over Ukraine is collapsing
The irony
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:25 pm to Strannix
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Strannix
Did you get booted from the politard board?
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:28 pm to Strannix
Is this a trolljob? CNN? For up-to-date Ukraine news? They're too focused on Jan 6, Trans swimmers and Drumpf
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:28 pm to Strannix
Why would i go to MSN for updates, you've been telling us for a long time that they don't know anything...you can't have it both ways.
Russia is certainly seeing some gains in the Severodonetsk area, they have only been pounding on it for 2 months, eventually they will take it. That won't be the end of the war, they still haven't made forward progress ANYWHERE else on the battlefield since the start of the 2nd phase of the war.
All the reports about force generation issues for Russia yield evidence that they have exhausted themselves.
Russia is certainly seeing some gains in the Severodonetsk area, they have only been pounding on it for 2 months, eventually they will take it. That won't be the end of the war, they still haven't made forward progress ANYWHERE else on the battlefield since the start of the 2nd phase of the war.
All the reports about force generation issues for Russia yield evidence that they have exhausted themselves.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:28 pm to Chromdome35
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In the grand scheme of things these attacks mean nothing. They will be stopped.
Rommel said something like that...
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